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My friend plays grey knights and he uses the nemesis force weapon to kill my hive tyrant who is under synapse and imune to instakill but he say's that it doesnt intakill it kills outright ,but in the rule 5th edition rulebook it says force weapons instakill on page 50 , i would realy appreciate the help anytime i complain about it he wont shut up about rules as written

By strict wording in the daemon hunter codex it doesn't state that it causes "instant death", but "kills outright". By RAW this means that it can insta-kill anything. That's right, all multi wound models can be brought low by this weapon, even those who are immune to instant death.

However be aware you will find people of other opinions on this site I'm sure (naming no names I can think of 1 straight off).

The rules were written when Instant Death existed, so it does affect model immune to instant death, e.g. Daemons, which makes sense anyway.

You should be able to strike back if your under the snypase(?) range, and what's the difference between a GK force weapon and a Force weapon in general?? i do as i vs. my mate (him playing nid's) and my force weapon does jack all

btw cheese, lemon russ.. lol

I may well be wrong, but doesnt the new BGB overrule old edition dexes with the "force weapons do X" rules? I mean, Grey Knights shouldnt have access to DIFFERENT force weapons to SPESS MAHRINES (hurr?), and yet they work differently if you follow the army dex there... *shrugs* Not my problem, I play guard (Ohnoes, you instant deathed a bodyguard)

Nope.

Specific Codex Rule> General BGB Rule

Nobody_Holme wrote:I may well be wrong, but doesnt the new BGB overrule old edition dexes with the "force weapons do X" rules? I mean, Grey Knights shouldnt have access to DIFFERENT force weapons to SPESS MAHRINES (hurr?), and yet they work differently if you follow the army dex there... *shrugs* Not my problem, I play guard (Ohnoes, you instant deathed a bodyguard)

No, the Book does not automatically overrule older codex. For the OP: Please do a search on the forum with "Nemesis Force Weapon", "Instant Death", "slays outright" as keywords. This exact same topic ( which seems to crop up with depressing regularity ) has been discussed to death.

In this case the DH Codex has a description on how a certain piece of gear works, and that is the rule you use. When checking rules use the following marching order: 1) Codex Errata, 2) Codex, 3) Rulebook Errata, 4) Rulebook. Nemesis Force Weapons have not been errated so they still use their own mechanism that allows them to eliminate Deamons, Tyranids and other things that are immune to the Instant Death- rule.

It's a matter of names. A force weapon causes instant death.

a nemesis force weapon slays outright.

If it hadn't been labeled a nemesis force weapon, but just force weapon, the RB would overrule.

Bah!

Fair enough, if foolish. Remind me to whine about it to someone next time i'm at warhammer world... (along with OH SO MANY other things that really need 5 minutes of work to fix)

General Hobbs wrote:
It's a matter of names. A force weapon causes instant death.

a nemesis force weapon slays outright.

If it hadn't been labeled a nemesis force weapon, but just force weapon, the RB would overrule.

Just a nitpick here, but thats wrong. If the NFW had said "Look to the rulebook for the rules", then it would be. However, it has it's own special rules contained in the codex. It could be called a Force Weapon and still use it's special rules, because codex trumps rulebook special rules.