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Ketara wrote:Go read the Yuuzhan Vong saga and say that.

I'm starting the get the impression now your argument derives from, 'Spass Marines is well ard and owns everyting!', whether that's the case or not.

I think the point is that while, yes, the empire has dealt with a few things on a similar plane in terms of grittiness and brutal warfare, the Imperium of Man does it just about everyday like it's nothing. What a space marine may lack in intelligence and tactical intelligence they make up for tenfold in brute force, true power, mansauce, and experience. we're talking soldiers who are HUNDREDS of years old at least.

Mandalorians kick ass, but the guard are nearly limitless. Assuming the mandalorians don't sleep, i don't see a clear victory from them anytime soon.

Cyclonic Bombs. I don't need to say anymore. (except for those of you who don't know what those are. they literally make the atmoshpere around you catch on fire. if they have some sort of atmospheric generator on any of the death stars, it'll be gone. if not, shoot it down before their sensors even realise the imperial ships exist)

Then, there's the chaos marines. they would win through sheer brutality, and to the star wars empire, sheer weirdness. it's an enemy unlike anything they've ever encountered. terrifying little beasts growing out of their arms and bodies, altering their weapons and gear, possessing their bodies, driving them mad, opening rifts into what they could only describe as hell, stuff the Imperium has dealt with for ages.

THEN there are the Tyranids. Assuming that they destroy the imperium (though, I personally can't see why. I've already had this argument between 40k and a star wars fanatic a long time ago, and i won, multiple times.) they'd have to deal with biological monsters that keep changing. the closest they had to that was some alien planet with some bugs of about the same height as a sentinel. (you probably know what i'm talking about ketara. that weird jungle place that was distinctly star-wars alien style, lots of bright colors. the most well known reference to it was in the *third* movie according the *earlier* trilogy where the clone troopers killed the twi'lek who used dual-lightsabers on the planet i'm trying to describe)

lastly, Eldar. they'd sense as close to chaos as the empire gets, which is palpatine/darth vader. Ulthwe would see them coming a million miles away like they did with horus during the heresey, and Abbadon during the 13th black crusade. they would NEVER let this happen. they'd send the orks on them. ALL of them. I dunno. they'd find a way.

The dark eldar would just have new toys to play with, and the T'au would assimilate them into the greater good, i.e. concentration camps after they got the kroot to hand their asses to them.

The Empire has a lack of long term infiltration methods. they have short-term cloaking devices that make you mostly invisible, which works incredibly well for short situations. IMHO, callidus assassins beats that hands down. so here we are at the temple assassins. after the callidus i'd go for the eversors. one eversor assassin killed 130 people with a plastic butterknife and a wooden spoon. the Culexus assassins, assuming the force powers are of the same property as to warp powers, would easily infiltrate into where ever the hell palpatine was hiding and beat the living gak out of the old man. same applies to Darth Vader. Vindicares would be useful on the battlefield just for taking out the commanders. I can't think of any better use. A culexus coupled with a callidus invading any of their superweapon-spaceshippy things would end the problems of super-weapons immediatley.

I don't think they're prepared for this kind of universe. they have gritty wars with people on equal footing. the imperium has gritty warfare with giant bloodthirsty demons, acid spitting bio-monsters, hedonistic hardcore S&M pirate elves and undead omnicidal robots. the imperial NUNS are their own fighting force. the bar for badass is raised in 40k.