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Please answer the poll based upon your interpretation of the RAW.

The example: A lone Space Marine Captain stands at the foot of one wall of a tall ruin that has two levels. He has rolled a "6" for his difficult terrain movement. Your opponent claims that the Captain can reach the top level of the ruin with his movement roll of "6," and proceeds to place the captain so that he barely balances on the top of the structure, and points out that the model is "at the edge."

Do you...

A) State that your opponent technically can't "place" the model there, because he has no movement left to make any horizontal headway onto the second level and thus gain his footing...

-OR-

B) Refer to the "wobbly model" rule that allows you and your opponent to agree upon the position of an non-place able model?

For bonus points, discuss whether or not models can be "agreed upon" to be between levels; perhaps on a ladder or staircase?

Mods: If this has been done before, please remove this post. I ran a search and didn't turn up anything.

The answer is A, assuming that the model is on the outside of the wall, and so requires horizontal movement in order to move over onto the floor on the second level.

The 6" vertically doesn't leave him any horizontal movement. So he can't make it to the second level.

Wobbly model syndrome doesn't enter into it unles he's in a position where he could be legally moved to that finishing point.

Just to state the opposing view:

Wobbly model syndrome references models which have a legitimate reason for being where the owner wants to place them--for example, a Ranger trying to balance on a large, flat, but sloped boulder glued to the terrain piece in question. Because the model will probably topple off, you use the Wobbly Model rule. However, the model technically cannot be "placed" there, because it topples off.

This is where the game becomes something a bit...er...creative. If a model has a legitimate reason for being on the rock (being able to lie prone, for instance, if a Ranger actually existed), then why can a model not be left clinging to a ladder, or, in this instance, the edge of a wall he obviously must have just finished scaling?

ColonelEllios wrote: then why can a model not be left clinging to a ladder, or, in this instance, the edge of a wall he obviously must have just finished scaling?

That part really comes down to house rules, and whether or not you agree as per the guidelines at the end of the Ruins movement section to allow models to finish their move between levels, rather than WMS.

We've never done so around here... it's ok for Necromunda, but a hassle for 40K. Single characters are one thing... but what if it was a squad that he was trying to do this with?

Too much hassle.

But he's technically "on" the second level. If he decides to run immediately afterward, can he move onto the second level with his run movement? What makes the interpretations opposed to yours suddenly "house rules?" The rules are printed in the book.

ColonelEllios wrote:But he's technically "on" the second level.

Only if I completely misunderstood your original example.

Otherwise, he's not on the second level, he's clinging to the wall at the approximate height of the second level.

If he decides to run immediately afterward, can he move onto the second level with his run movement?

If you decide that he can finish his movement clinging to the top of the wall, sure.

What makes the interpretations opposed to yours suddenly "house rules?"

Pardon?

The reference to house rules was refering to the part at the end of the Ruins movement section, which explains that you and your opponent are free to come up with whatever rules you like to govern how the models interact with terrain in ways other than physically possible.

If you and your opponent are creating rules to cover the situation, then you're using house rules. The fact that the rulebook says you can do so doesn't change that.

If the Captain is standing against the wall and there is no floor directly above him, he certainly can't move 6 inches up and stand on thin air.
If by moving 6 inches straight up he is even partly standing on something, the he has moved horizontally, which is not allowed as he used up all his 6 inches of movement going up.

Now if there IS floor directly above him but that floor is simply physically unsafe for the model to stand there, then he would use the wobbly model rule.

So A in the first case, B in the second.
This situation sounds like the first one, though, since the edge of a wall can't be directly above our CAptain, unless the Captain was IN the wall. o_O

As for models being between levels, sure. As long as both players agree and keep track.

I'd have to say A. If the 2nd floor is 6inches up then he can't make it if he's on the outside edge. He'd need just a little bit more than 6" movement.

If he was UNDER the said floor then yes, as no horizontal movement would be required.

B all the way. To say that a model can use the 'wobbly model syndrome' rule to stay halfway up a ladder is simply ridiculous as the 6 inch movement, as written in the BGB, is only so short as it signifies models sneaking or being careful, looking for enemies. Therefore it makes no sense to say that he would just stop in the middle of the ladder and wait.