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The Volley shot for the Reaper bolt thrower is Str 4, armour saves at a -2. Just looking for clarification as my friend argued that it would be a -3 as Str 4 is -1 and it says -2 but doesn't say they don't stack (He plays scaven and was using this agument for his rattling guns as well...). I think its -2 but figured I'de ask before our next game.

Would the Crystal of Midnight work against a Warplock Engineer (who's magic comes from a wargear item iirc?)

Crystal of Midnight - makes the nominated wizard take a ld test on 3d6 and if failed it looses a spell for the rest of the game.

Edit:

Is a Scaly Skin Save the same thing as an armour save? Or does it just function like an armour save (can be negativly modified, ignored, etc...)

-2: it gives you the entire Armour Penetration for the bolt thrower in one summary.

He knows the spell same as any other wizard, the wargear gives him the abiltiy to cast it...

Scaly skin Functions exactly the same as Armour, however stacks with light armour etc as it is a "seperate suit" - so indeed it can be ignored, reduced by strength, etc.

I'm pretty sure it's minus 3.

Basic S4 with additional AP -2.

Same thing with the Organ Gun.

Basic S5 with an AP -3.

Can't answer Crystal Question.

Scaly Skin is an additional save that acts like regular armor.

(I.E. a Sarus Warrior has a 5+ Scaly Skin save. If you give him a HW and Shield, he'll have a 3+ save)

No, it's -2 to save, the S4 is already taken into account. (Effectively S4 w/ Armour piercing).

Oh, alright then.

Haven't played my DE army in a while.....

The Warp Lightning/Crystal question is tricky, I'm tempted to go with Nosferatu on this one (he's usually right :p) but something is niggling at the back of my mind, as far as I can see, Warp Blades not only give the spell but contain it also - you could rule it either way, the logical answer is yes, the Crystal can delete the spell, but I'd dice it off if any questions arise.

I'm not usually right, I just shout louder and more often

I haven't got the skaven book to hand, last I remember is that the blades allow the wizard to cast the spell, not give him the knowledge. I'll check when I get the chance.

Warp-Blades:

'The warp-blades give the bearer +1 strength and allow him to cast the Warp Lightning spell through them. Note that this only provides the knowledge of the spell, but the payer must spend Power dice to cast the spell as normal.'

You run into the same problem with miscasts as well. Some miscast results cause the wizard to lose the spell. In my own experience, most opponents agree that the Engineers don't 'know' the spell to begin with. Since the miscast doesn't affect the equipment, the engineer doesn't lose his spell.

So, an Exalted Hero with the Book of Secrets can't lose whatever spell he gets as a result?

What rule makes anyone think that a Warlock Engineer can't lose his Warp Lightning as a result of Miscast?

Fielded basic, he knows 0 spells. Buy him Warp Blades, and he knows 1 spell. You can easily argue that the Miscast shorts out the blades, or that the Crystal of Midnight interferes in some fashion.

As the Skaven player here this would be affecting...
I'm inclined to say that because the blades gives him the knowledge of the spell, as soon as he looses it, he would regain it. Nothing would cause the warp blades to stop functioning and not give the spell right back to him.

Shamfrit wrote:Warp-Blades:

'The warp-blades give the bearer +1 strength and allow him to cast the Warp Lightning spell through them. Note that this only provides the knowledge of the spell, but the payer must spend Power dice to cast the spell as normal.'

So its not a bound spell right? (just looking for clarification)

Also did I just find a grey area in the rules or is it just that the scaven codex is poorly written?

It's not a bound spell, it gives the user the ability to cast, as normal, a spell.

SKaven is not a badly written book, it's just not every combination is taken into account.

A few more questions:

What version of Warp Lightning does the item allow you to cast (or can you choose)?
Do you have to take multiple terror tests if charged by 2 terror causing creatures?
If you have 2 terror causing creatures withing 6" at the start of your turn do you take 2 tests or 1?

Finally, If a unit charges a fleeing unit and catches them the fleeing unit is destoryed if that same charging unit then comes in contatct with another fleeing unit does that fleeing unit get a chance to regroup in its turn or do they still just flee? (does this make any sense)?

Casper wrote:A few more questions:

1) What version of Warp Lightning does the item allow you to cast (or can you choose)?
2) Do you have to take multiple terror tests if charged by 2 terror causing creatures?
3) If you have 2 terror causing creatures withing 6" at the start of your turn do you take 2 tests or 1?

4) Finally, If a unit charges a fleeing unit and catches them the fleeing unit is destoryed if that same charging unit then comes in contatct with another fleeing unit does that fleeing unit get a chance to regroup in its turn or do they still just flee? (does this make any sense)?

1) I'm actually not sure what the question here is...

2) A unit will only ever take 1 Terror test per game. If charged by more than one Terror-causing unit, test for Terror against the first declared charger. If the test is passed, test for Fear against the second unit.

3) One test, as above. If the test is failed, I believe you would flee from the higher US.

4) If a fleeing unit is charged, it automatically elects Flee! as a charge reaction. If its flee move is insufficient to get it away from the chargers, the unit is destroyed and the charges go their full charge move. If this move is sufficient to bring it into contact with another fleeing unit, it counts as a new charge, which gets its own reaction (which will be Flee!). Rinse and repeat.

1) Warp Lightning is one spell, though it has two values 5+ and 9+ to cast at. The war gear just gives you the spell, so you may pick what value to cast.