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Ok, tried this on the B&C, didn't really get anywhere much though so I've come to Dakka - you people seem to know what you're doing with unclear rules, after all...

Here's the salient points (as I understand them)

Firing an Ordnance Weapon precludes firing any other weapon

Therefore, firing any other weapon prevents the firing of an Ordnance weapon

PotMS allows you to fire one additional weapon at a different target

So, does using the PotMS allow you to declare that the LC's will fire on a tank, whilst the Whirlwind is fired by PotMS at the infantry? What takes precedence, Ordnance or PotMS? And can PotMS be used to fire the Ordnance as the extra weapon, thus circumventing the Ordnance rule? As far as I know, the Helios and the Ares are the only tanks that can do this, so it's hardly game breaking.

Codex trumps BGB

Personally, I would allow a second weapon to be fired along with the ordnance due to the benefits afforded by PotMS

What is PotMS?

Power of The Machine spirit. It comes on land raiders and if you play templars you can buy it for any vehicle. It basically lets you use an additional weapon to fire even if it has shot already.

While probably not intended for use with the Helios when the rule was written, PotMS by fluff and RAW as I understand them both support being able to fire all weapons by assigning the Whirlwind launcher to the Machine Spirit. RAW-- PotMS says nothing about the weapon being non-ordinance. Fluff-- After all, the ordinance weapon can hardly take all of the gunners' attention when there aren't any gunners firing it!

Malecus wrote:While probably not intended for use with the Helios when the rule was written, PotMS by fluff and RAW as I understand them both support being able to fire all weapons by assigning the Whirlwind launcher to the Machine Spirit. RAW-- PotMS says nothing about the weapon being non-ordinance. Fluff-- After all, the ordinance weapon can hardly take all of the gunners' attention when there aren't any gunners firing it!

MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY

With PotMS, you should be able to fire both sponsons att he same target and the missile launcher at the same or a different target, per all the rules in question.

SJ

jeffersonian000 wrote:With PotMS, you should be able to fire both sponsons att he same target and the missile launcher at the same or a different target, per all the rules in question.

SJ

to clarify, there is nothing requiring the LR to fire both sponsons at the same target.

More simply put, if the LR chooses not to move then all weapons may be fired, one of which may choose a different target unit than the rest b/c of PotMS. If the LR moves 6 in., then one weapon may be fired per normal rules and a second may fire at another target per rules for PotMS. If the LR moves 12 in. PotMS allows one weapon to be fired.

(keep in mind that "popping smoke" is NOT THE SAME AS FIRING A WEAPON. Smoke launchers are not considered weapons and therefore are not included in the arithmetic on any of the above circumstances)

the more diffficult situation is, when the LR pops smoke can it also fire a single weapon?- RAW seems to indicate yes, RAI not so much (there are very good fluff args. why PotMS does intend to permit this but you can search them out on your own)
The same thing goes for results on the vehicle damage chart that would otherwise dissallow the LR to fire for a turn.

of course once the vehicle or its weapons are destroyed there are no weapons to fire and therefore PotMS is no longer applicable (i actually read some1 question this so i figured i'd throw it in)

i hope there are no glaring mistakes otherwise i am going to feel foolish hehe

Deuce11, what jeffersonian was describing is specific to the Helios, which has a Whirlwind Missile Launcher in addition to the sponson Lascannons. In this case, the crew would be firing both Lascannons at the same target, and the Machine Spirit would be firing the Missile Launcher at a the same or another target.