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Aldarian Combined Arms Force


HQ

Commissar lord (plasma pistol, power weapon, carapace armor)
Colonel Straken
4 Veterans (Melta guns)
2 body guards
Carapace armor
Chimera
Cost: 410



Troops

Veteran Sergeant (power sword)
7 Veterans
2 Veterans (Melta guns)
Grenadiers
Chimera 185

Veteran Sergeant (Power fist)
6 Veterans
3 Veterans (Plasma guns)
Grenadiers
Chimera 210

Sergeant harker
4 Veterans
3 Veterans (plasma guns)
Heavy Weapons Team (heavy bolter) 180

Penal legion Squad 80


Cost: 665

Heavy Support

Vanquisher

Enclosed basilisk

Enclosed Basilisk

Cost: 435

Total: 1500

-Drop Harker, heavy weapons from the Vet squads and load them in Chimeras
-Drop the Commissar lord and Straken as well as the carapace armour. Don't really know why you'd need 2 bodyguards; probs trade them for an Inq with 2 mystics
-Drop the power weapon/fist from the Vet Sergeants
-Drop the Grenadiers and up them to 3 meltas each
-You can probably get an extra Vet squad with 3 meltas and Chimera

-Trade Vanq + spare points (drop a Basilisk if you need it) for a demolisher or executioner with PC sponsons

But why get rid of straken, he's an excellent CC unit?

lol you're planning on getting into CC?

with normal space marines (my usual opponents) yes, ...... AFTER I blast them with strakens Plasma pistol and the four melta guns, and the two heavy bolters from the chimera. the first vet squad goes and does the same thing with two meltas.... because that's all I have, I need more. I mean with the Commissar his Command squad gets

5 Str 7 power weapon attacks at I 4

5 Str 4 power weapon attacks at I 4

on the charge. With a slew of normal attack and body guards to take up strakens wounds.

ah.. against MEQs that might actually be fairly effective. Given Guard's low points cost and MEQs high ones you'll probably kill far more than you'll take. Will be good vs termies

yeah that's pretty much all I ever play against CSM, marines, deathwing, deathwing, tau, tyranids, CSM, IG, SoB. I bring templates for the pesky 4+ save tau, and well IG. 3+ saves are everywhere in my group down here, the same guy that plays SoB plays IG, and also has 13th company that he lets loose ever now and then.

I'd still drop Harker and the PW/PFs on the Vet Sergeants


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and i'd drop the Basilisks probably for a Plascutioner and a Vend

Agree that basilisks are quite hard to use on an ordinary size table. You're either in sight (and very fragile) or out of sight (and wildly inaccurate). Leman Russes could be better. Straken is a perfectly good choice but the commissar lord is a very expensive way of getting a few power weapon attacks.

I think you want all of your troops in chimeras if possible. 10 T3 models are toast if they're the only exposed infantry on the board at the start of the game.

I am not very impressed by the vanquisher. 2d6 to penetrate sounds great, but it's only one shot a turn at BS3, even if you penetrate the damage roll isn't AP1 or anything, so you have to be lucky to take out a tank.

I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly wrote:
I am not very impressed by the vanquisher. 2d6 to penetrate sounds great, but it's only one shot a turn at BS3, even if you penetrate the damage roll isn't AP1 or anything, so you have to be lucky to take out a tank.

Then get Pask and a Lascannon =)...and multi-meltas sponsons if you need them that much =)

HQ
Lord Commissar [95] [Plasma pistol, Power fist]

Elite

Storm Trooper Squad 1 [125 points] [ 2 Plasma Guns, Sergeant with plasma pistol]
Storm Trooper Squad 2 [115 points] [ 2 Plasma Guns, Sergeant with power weapon]

Troops

Veteran Squad 1 [170 points] [3 Melta guns, Chimera, Sergeant with power fist]
Veteran Squad 1 [170 points] [3 Melta guns, Chimera, Sergeant with power fist]
Veteran Squad 1 [185 points] [3 Plasma guns, Chimera, Sergeant with power fist]


Veteran Squad [180 points] [Harker, 3 plasma guns, heavy bolter team]

Heavy Support

Leman Russ [150 points]
Enclosed Colossus [155 points]
Manticore [160 points]

Total: 1425


what about this?

STs are just weird. IF they're deepstriking the PGs will rapid fire and then you can't charge and use the power weapon. Also what you're using them for can be done far more effectively and cheaply by Veterans.

-Change Harker's squad to be like the other two (melta)
-Drop the Power Fists:
NEW RULE: NO POWER WEAPONS/FISTS WITH WS3 1W Models!!!! (and yes that did need capitals and exclamation marks).

If you want fire support get some half decent tanks or an infantry platoon with heavy weapons (cheap and has enough bodies to protect the heavy weapon).
-Colossus minimum range will hurt you in pretty much any game. Trade it for another Vet squad or use it to upgrade your other Leman Russ.
-Same with the Manticore.
-Also i'd trade the CL for a CCS

So..Something like this:

HQ
CCS: 4 meltas, Chimera wth Multi-Laser, HF (145)
Troops:
Vet Squad: 3 meltas, Chimera wth Multi-Laser, HF (155)
Vet Squad: 3 meltas, Chimera wth Multi-Laser, HF (155)
Vet Squad: 3 meltas, Chimera wth Multi-Laser, HF (155)
Vet Squad: 3 meltas, Chimera wth Multi-Laser, HF (155)
Vet Squad: 3 PGs, Chimera wth Multi-Laser, HF (170)
FA:
Vendetta (130)
Heavy Support:
Leman Russ Executioner: Hull HB, PC Sponsons (230)
Leman Russ Demolisher: Hull HF, PC Sponsons (205)

Vendetta give you some longer range AT (You can drop the Demolisher for another one and scrounge some points for another vet squad. But it's your list...)


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List is exactly 1500 by the way

what about this:

HQ
Lord Commissar [90 points] [Plasma pistol, Power weapon]
Command [230 points] [Straken, 2 flamers, 2 metlaguns, chimera/w Heavy flamer and Heavy bolter/w Heavy flamer and Heavy bolter]

Elite


Troops

Veteran Squad 1 [185 points] [3 Melta guns, Chimera/w Heavy flamer and Heavy bolter Demolitions]
Veteran Squad 1 [155 points] [3 Melta guns, Chimera/w Heavy flamer and Heavy bolter]
Veteran Squad 1 [210 points] [Grenadiers, 3 Plasma guns, Chimera/w Heavy flamer and Heavy bolter, Sergeant with Plasma Pistol]


Veteran Squad [170 points] [Harker, 3 plasma guns]

Heavy Support

Leman Russ [150 points]
Enclosed Colossus [155 points]
Enclosed Colossus [155 points]

Total: 1500

Ok, I think its time for some clarification here. What is it exactly that you want this army to be? I see that you really like the Veterans so I'm guessing your looking at a really experienced little company of men. What I don't get it what you want your main theme to be? Do you want this to be some artillery company, armored, pure vets, CC? Are you looking for a competitive list? Tell us what the general idea is for what you want to make and THEN we can help you.

They are the aldarian Combined arms force consisting of the 52nd warhawks Elite mounted infantry and the 88th phoenix missile company. basically the artillery sits back and blasts while, while the others capture objectives. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/247113.page

I think the Colossus' minimum range is going to hurt you; I'd drop them to Medusas.
This gives you an extra 10 points and i'd consider doing the following:
Dropping the PP on the Vet SGT (+10), Demo/Gren (+60)
-Using these 80 Pts you can up your LRBT to an Executioner with PC Sponsons (a deadly force in any army)

Also make your Chimeras into turret Multi Laser + Hull HF. The HB is alot worse than either the Multi Laser or a HF!

in most instances yes but the ML is AP 6, granted I need the strength to make marines take armor saves since neither are ap 3, also I REALLY like the colossus, its ap 3 and ignores cover saves. Which since I fight marines 3/4 of the time is nice. and if you place them at opposing ends of the board they cover the whole board. or at least if they are in that 24 inches they're within PG range.

gendoikari87 wrote:also I REALLY like the colossus, its ap 3 and ignores cover saves. Which since I fight marines 3/4 of the time is nice. and if you place them at opposing ends of the board they cover the whole board. or at least if they are in that 24 inches they're within PG range.

Um...The Medusa is AP2

yes but it does not ignore cover. Something the Colossus does very well. Great for smoking out marine units into the open for my plasma/melta gunners to finish them off.