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Under the Inquisitor rules in Codex: Daemonhunters they are allowed to take a Land Raider at +250 points. Remembering that when using Daemonhunters as allies you can't take any Heavy Support choices, could this be used to allow eg Imperial Guard to field a Land Raider?

I suppose but it would have to be the Inquisitor in it. Though you could get him out and then put some guar in to make the BEST ARMOURED FIST EVA!!!!

Yeah, it can. So you can have two Land Raiders, one for an Inquistor Lord and one for an Inquisitor, in a force that can't usually have them.

lol I am so doing this =)


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of course Gwar! is going to come now and spoil my fun =)

colonel584 wrote:of course Gwar! is going to come now and spoil my fun =)

I don't think so... the LR is a dedicated transport if taken for the Inquisitor's retinue. Any dedicated transport is in the same FOC as the squad that bought it. So the LR is also under the Inquisitor in the FOC.

oh he'll find a way lol

DH cannot share D.Transports ... "Transports are always taken as an upgrade for another unit and may only transport the unit it was bought for."

WH may share Transports but the WH Inquisitor IMHO isn't as good.

that is quoted from where?

top of the d.transports page in DH ... page30

All the stuff that's already been said, plus you HAVE to take a retinue for your Elite Inquisitor if you want to give him a Land Raider. Lords are required to take a retinue anyway so it's not an issue for them.

DH Inquisitors and Lords' transports can only be used by the retinues they were bought for because of Codex creep. However, they can use the DH Codex's smoke launchers which downgrade all Penetrating hits to Glancing for a full turn. It's also debatable wether or not DH transport Land Raiders have the Power of the Machine Spirit and Assault Vehicle rules, because the FAQ only states that Grey Knights ones (i.e the Heavy Support choice ones) get them. Most reasonable people will allow it, but it's not RAW for them to have it.

WH transport Raiders are altogether different; they get the Machine Spirit rule (which is a great deal suckier than PotMS) and BRB Smoke Launchers.

Overall the DH ones are better, I think.

Where does it actually say that the transports must stay with the character?

colonel584 wrote:Where does it actually say that the transports must stay with the character?

top of the d.transports page in DH ... page30 "Transports are always taken as an upgrade for another unit and may only transport the unit it was bought for."

colonel584 wrote:Where does it actually say that the transports must stay with the character?

They don't have to stay with the character; he doesn't have to be deployed riding in it, you can deploy them seperately if you want. What it means is that the Inquisitor or Lord retinue it was bought for is the ONLY unit that can ever ride in it.

Ah okay; fair enough. But having a Land Raider amongst an already impressive armour line-up can't be good for the enemy

Considering a single Land Raider and the squad that needs to come with it will cost twice as much as most vehicles in the IG Codex you might find your impressive armour line-up becomes markedly less impressive; plus, without PotMS and the ability to carry Troops, you're losing a lot of versatility.

I'd sooner take two LRBTs myself, but to each their own

I would only use it to fill points. Which I had to do for A'rd Boys. But there are so many much better options. In reality the only thing you need to get from the DH codex is an elite inquisitor, 2x mystics, 2x heirophants, and a hood. Maybe a Tarot.

All other options are point sinks when compared to what you can field from the IG codex for the same amount of points.

Frank Fugger wrote:Considering a single Land Raider and the squad that needs to come with it will cost twice as much as most vehicles in the IG Codex you might find your impressive armour line-up becomes markedly less impressive; plus, without PotMS and the ability to carry Troops, you're losing a lot of versatility.

I'd sooner take two LRBTs myself, but to each their own

When did the fire sale of LRBTs start? I don't think they're 125 points each...but I get what you're saying tho. Still AV14 all round isn't bad; it can still be used as a shock tank; or beef up your inquisitor (lord) and use them as a shock unit. Anyway, just the look on your opponent's face when he's up against a Guard army and you pull out a Land Raider =)

If you have the spare points make sure you give him a good retinue, so say a Psycannon for him and a power sword maybe even termie armour, MM's for his warriors and some other decent people, also give him hammerhand for a Psychic power.

colonel584 wrote:

Frank Fugger wrote:Considering a single Land Raider and the squad that needs to come with it will cost twice as much as most vehicles in the IG Codex you might find your impressive armour line-up becomes markedly less impressive; plus, without PotMS and the ability to carry Troops, you're losing a lot of versatility.

I'd sooner take two LRBTs myself, but to each their own

When did the fire sale of LRBTs start? I don't think they're 125 points each...but I get what you're saying tho. Still AV14 all round isn't bad; it can still be used as a shock tank; or beef up your inquisitor (lord) and use them as a shock unit. Anyway, just the look on your opponent's face when he's up against a Guard army and you pull out a Land Raider =)

You have to buy the inquisitor lord and his retinue or the inquisitor and his retinue, that'll put you at or over 300 on each pretty fast.

Course, a DH Inq w/Mystics in a Land Raider means a lot of area coverage for detecting deep striking/summoned units...................... Measure from the hull, don't ya know.

colonel584 wrote:Still AV14 all round isn't bad; it can still be used as a shock tank; or beef up your inquisitor (lord) and use them as a shock unit. Anyway, just the look on your opponent's face when he's up against a Guard army and you pull out a Land Raider =)

You COULD do that; you could also buy two more Leman Russes for the points each LR and Inquisitor/ Lord retinue. I suppose if you want to use it as some sort of fire magnet to draw shots from your transports or something it'd work fine, but people will soon figure out that the LR A) isn't a scoring unit and cannot be made into one, B) doesn't have anywhere near the same potency as a Smurf one, and C) is thusly useless, and will usually ignore it.

phantommaster wrote:If you have the spare points make sure you give him a good retinue, so say a Psycannon for him and a power sword maybe even termie armour, MM's for his warriors and some other decent people, also give him hammerhand for a Psychic power.

For the love of James don't do this. Seriously; at most you want 3 Mystics. The only time you ever gear up Inquisitiors is when you're playing an Inquisition army, and even then you do it as cheaply and efficiently as possible. Which means no Multimelta Servitors (they have to disembark from their transport, wait a full turn, then shoot - and given what they're armed with and how feeble they are they're going to die before they fire a shot).

Warrior's are a good deal for mando buys. You can get the mystics you need, and two warriors with Plasma. They're cheaper than veterans armed the same (10 points BS 4, 4+save +10 point plasma gun vis 7 point vet+3 for carapace armor+15 for a plasma gun=25) and make your inq not totally useless.

Seriously, if you are playing IG, don't take a LR with your Inquisitor.

Buy a Vet squad with a Chimera. Or hell, buy a Chimera for a regular line squad.

Stick the Inq in -that- chimera then. Stay mobile, lash proof, and much more cost effective than a fiddly LR in an IG army.