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2009/07/20 07:05:36
Subject: Industrial Hemp as an industry (What are the laws in your countries?)
Recently the issue of legalizing marijuana has become relevant in California. What I don't understand is why no one seems to be talking about the Hemp industry.
As I understand it (and my research is a bit lax on this) most of the world grows their own hemp materials. I remember reading/hearing about France growing their own 99.99999+ THC-free Hemp for use in cigarette papers, I thought that was a pretty cool fact.
U.S. Federal:
Wiki wrote:Hemp is illegal to grow in the U.S. under federal law due to its relation to marijuana, and any imported hemp products must meet a zero tolerance level. It is considered a controlled substance under the Controlled Substances Act (P.L. 91-513; 21 U.S.C. 801 et seq.). Some states have defied federal law and made the cultivation of industrial hemp legal. These states — North Dakota, Hawaii, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Montana, West Virginia, Vermont, and Oregon — have not yet begun to grow hemp due to resistance from the federal Drug Enforcement Administration.
Wiki wrote:Over 30 countries produce industrial hemp including Australia, Austria, Canada, China, Great Britain, France, Russia and Spain.
Wiki wrote:France is Europe's biggest producer, with 8,000 hectares cultivated.
I read a book on the history of Marijuana a few years back which covered a lot of interesting stuff. Hemp was one of the first plants to be farmed purposefully by humans apparently. The line gets a bit strange here so I am not sure what we are allowed to talk about, but in my opinion it is just another plant and a very useful one at that.
Here is an interesting video on the subject. Seems to be a lot of different products, all the way from food to clothes, and even beauty products. I remember seeing big adds for the Weed cream this one beauty shop used to sell, I found it pretty funny.
The Realms of the Unreal, of the Glandeco-Angelinnian War Storm, Caused by the Child Slave Rebellion
I've drawn on hemp paper before, (which the Constitution is written on, or so I have heard) and I can say it's good stuff. I've also used hemp shampoo which was really good. IIRC fear of the drug was used by the coal and timber industries to ban industrial hemp farming to keep hemp fuel, paper and other goods from cutting into their profits.
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2009/07/20 08:13:04
Subject: Hemp as an industry (What are the laws in your countries?)
A lot of these products just don't make sense to me. Like Hemp candles for instance, what makes them hemp candles really though?
I will try to find out. I guess they just smell nice... hmmm. Why would burnt seeds smell good? That sounds pretty flimsy to me.
My research into why the U.S. SHOULDN'T legalize the growth of hemp has literally turned up nothing valid. No serious points, and I am not sure why. There has to be some other side to this besides it's connection to THC and the 60's.
Then again maybe that IS all it is.
Maybe they just don't like Woody Harrelson... "HURR HURR I am Woody Harrelson" .
There is a bit at the end about fighting illegal outdoor marijuana by introducing hemp into the area so it pollinates the cultivated marijuana and dilutes it's potency. Pretty interesting stuff.
One side to this would be that the infrastructure just isn't there, but it doesn't sound anywhere near as complicated as implementing hydrogen as a fuel source. I am not sure whether this argument could be rationally applied as a reason to not grow hemp. The idea of a car with a shell made out of plants sounds pretty cool to me.
Has anyone worked with Hemp before? In an industry or at home? I would be interested in learning more about some of these products.
OH SNAP A HEMP HOUSE!!! OMG...
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2009/07/20 09:56:39
Subject: Re:Hemp as an industry (What are the laws in your countries?)
Here's a transcript of a spoken word piece by Jello Biafra back from 1990 that has some reasons on why Hemp is outlawed, and some statictics on why it is superior to other products. It can be found on "I Blow Minds For A Living" or easily found on youtube if you want to be cheap and just hear it.
Grow More Pot
by Jello Biafra
From I Blow Minds for a Living, recorded at Slim's, San Francisco, Nov. 21, 1990
Does anybody out there know that for the first time in American history the U.S. Army was used in a war operation against the American people? Right near here, up in Humboldt County about 200 miles north of San Francisco right near a town called Shelter Cove, get this: three- to four-hundred American G.I.s dressed with automatic rifles and fully armed for battle, fanned out on maneuvers through the woods, backed up by a dozen Blackhawk attack helicopters. The mountain people up there were frightened out of their wits! They thought there was a war going on, especially the ones that had soldiers kicking in the doors to their cabins and putting guns to their heads in front of their children.
Why!? Who was the enemy in this war? Not the communists! Not Saddam Hussein! Not Earth First! or even the spotted owl. No! The enemy they called out the army to put down, secretly, so few people outside of Humboldt would get alarmed as possible, it wasn't even a person or an army or a terrorist group! It was a plant, the marijuana plant.
And they actually did manage to find a few for the G.I.s to pull up, and then they had to fly in more from the government stash so the pile would look big enough when they lit the bonfire for the network TV news cameras, so that they could say "Yes! Another triumph in the Drug War!"
Drug War. War. The American army sent to war against the American people. And we're supposed to feel relieved and secure and protected. Protected from what?!
A lot of people with more guts than I'll ever have risked their life and limb all last summer at the Earth First! Redwood Summer Action up in Humboldt County. They were chaining themselves to redwoods that were three times wider than they were, 800 years old, they were spread-eagled, as the saws buzzed right over their heads. They stood in the dirt as the bulldozers charged them and stopped right at their toes. Or people waved clubs at them, charged them with logging trucks, shotguns, you name it. All to try to save some of the last unspoiled virgin forest we have left anywhere in this country from being chopped down and turned into toilet paper, TV Guides and the Weekly World News.
On the other side the loggers saying "What about our jobs!? What about our families!? What about our lives?! You needed wood and cardboard to make those protest signs!"
We need fuel! We need paper! It's almost gone! Where are we gonna get more? The answer, for centuries, has been right under our nose: grow more pot!
If we're serious about saving the earth, saving the ozone and our freedom to go about saving the earth and the ozone, we should start by paying all those dirt-poor coca farmers in South America and out-of-work loggers in Fortuna and Eureka, and Midwest family farmers and rust-belt families too, to all get together and grow more pot!
Why? Get ready for this...! There's a book out called The Emperor Wears No Clothes. The author's name is Jack Herer. It's published by Queen of Clubs, and I think there's ads for it in High Times, or NORML, the National Organization for Reform of Marijuana Laws, could direct you to a copy I'm sure, and in this book, among other places, it is written that before the 20th century, the marijuana plant provided almost all the world's paper, all the world's clothing and textiles, and almost all the world's rope.
According to none other than the U.S. Department of Agriculture you can make four times as much paper from one acre of hemp plants as you can from an acre of trees. And instead of chopping down all the redwoods in Humboldt County and turning Northern California, Oregon and Washington and Appalachia into the Sahara Desert, if you do it with hemp plants, you can just grow another crop a few months later and make more paper! At one-quarter the cost of making paper from wood pulp and only one-fifth the pollution. The ancient Romans knew this and grew it, Henry VIII made each farmer in old England grow their share, because they knew if you want the strongest natural fiber there is, you all have gotta do your part for the King and grow more pot!
And we did, too! Guess what Levi jeans were originally made out of? And guess what American flags used to be made out of? And guess what the early drafts of the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution were written on? And if that's too un-Christian for you, guess what they made Guttenberg and King James Bibles out of? Guess what you can use to power a car? You can get at least four times as much cellulose to make gasohol or methanol from hemp stems as you can from a corn stalk. Which along with solar energy would be a great way to avoid dying for oil in Saudi Arabia.
In the 1920s and 1930s most American cars and farm machinery had the option of running on gas or on methanol; most racing cars still do run on methanol. And George Washington and Thomas Jefferson grew cannabis on their plantations and smoked it, too!
In the 1760s in the American colonies you could even be jailed for not growing pot! Because that was part of the key to becoming economically independent from Britain. Hemp was legal tender in the Americas, a substitute for money, from 1630 clear up to the early 1800s. And hemp seeds are a great source of protein, better than soybeans, and it's cheaper than soybeans, too. Or so says the U.S. Department of Agriculture.
Marijuana is legal for medical use in 34 states used to treat glaucoma and pain caused by cancer, and you can digest more protein from a hemp seed than a soybean seed. It's even shown some signs at being able to combat herpes. And, guess what kind of a parachute Mr. Drug War Junta-Man himself George Bush used when he bailed out of that bomber in World War II?
Hemp was illegal by then, but farmers were briefly ordered to grow it again in this country for the war effort and all, and the U.S. Army had their own stash all along in the colonies in the Philippines.
So, how did everything get turned around so darn bad? Doesn't it strike you as a little dumb that we burn oil and choke ourselves and chop down all our trees and ruin innocent people's lives by branding them criminals and throwing them in jails, or sending them off to drug camps, or taking all their property and selling it before they're brought to trial? In the process, making crack and heroin cheaper and easier to get than pot? Why do we do this when we don't have to?
Meanwhile the Police Chief of L.A., Darryl Gates gets front page approval for telling a U.S. Senate committee that pot smokers should be shot on sight. Because smoking pot is treason because, after all, it's illegal.
Why was marijuana cracked down on? And why was it done so violently? Well ... Ready?!
In 1936 Popular Mechanics magazine hailed the invention of a new machine to process hemp, predicting that marijuana/hemp would once again become the world's largest cash crop. This did not at all sit well with people like Hearst Paper Manufacturing or Kimberly-Clark or other cutthroat multinationals who happen to have large timber holdings. It didn't sit to well with tobacco barons for obvious reasons, and it sure as heck didn't sit too well with old buddies DuPont. Hemp processing uses only one-fifth the chemicals need to process wood pulp, and DuPont had just patented a new wood pulp sulfide process, and DuPont's patented plastic fibers had just passed up hemp as the No. 2 fiber, next to cotton, and they wanted to keep it that way!
And the last thing the big drug companies wanted was to lose their share of the ever lucrative disease industry market, to more affordable medicine made from marijuana or other natural ingredients because, check this out, you can't own and make money off a patent for medicine in this country, unless the medicine has chemicals in it. If it's all natural ingredients, you can't patent it. Maybe that's why we don't have access to a cure for cancer or AIDS, or why the health food store I go to keeps getting harassed by federal authorities for selling herbal medicines.
Meanwhile, guess who owns Congress? So marijuana was outlawed in 1937 and they fanned the racism fires playing the racism card just like they do when they want to crack down on rock-and-roll or rap or hip hop or something like that. They said that smoking marijuana might cause you to fall under the influence of listening to jazz! I believe that it was even said on the floor of Congress that marijuana had to be banned because smoking it might make a black man look at a white woman twice. And let's not forget that U.S. Treasury Department funded documentary film, called, "Reefer Madness!" So marijuana was outlawed as devil weed in 1937. Only 53 years ago it was legal. Need I say more, on why our beloved fearless leaders go out of their way to censor our access to information so darn much? Can you imagine the mass outrage if this kind of stuff ever really got out? And people knew that this big drug problem that they keep reading about and hearing about is being caused by the government themselves? And people knew how easily each one of us individually could turn our ecological and human crisis around without resorting to Nazi malarky like oil wars and drug wars by just saying no! to George Bush.
And if people knew that the very companies that provide us with such crucial conveniences as Kleenex, paper towels and junk mail, have systematically and brutally rearranged every single one of our lives so that we are literally wiping our behind with out own future?
And it doesn't have to be this way! I mean, I'll tell you, I do feel kind of funny saying all this because I used to be a pothead and I hate smoking the stuff, and the whole low-energy stoner Deadhead vibe that comes with it. But, you don't need to smoke pot to realize that the real drug problem in this country is not the drugs. And we can help solve drug problems, crime problems, environmental problems - even our racial problems if we say no to George Bush and get together and grow more pot!
This is number 347 in my list of concerns, right behind the need for oregano flavored toothpaste.
Synthetic fibers kick hemp butt for tensile strength, fyi.
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2009/07/20 12:39:31
Subject: Hemp as an industry (What are the laws in your countries?)
I have trouble believing Mister Jello because the first point he makes is false, or urban legend (meaning some truth but over time distorted), or some combination. While I have no doubt that people may have been raided it would not have been the Military as the US Military is forbidden to engage in such acts by law. They certainly wouldn't have televised and taken photos of the military breaking Posse Comitatus as anything they did would then be negated as it would have been an illegal raid and search.
The problem with hemp is the 10% that are sincere in it's use are drowned out by the 90% that just want to get high. You almost never hear an argument for hemp from a non-pot smoker. As long as it is the case that it seems to be that the argument is coming from stoners it won't get much traction in shifting the political field.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
2009/07/20 13:28:28
Subject: Re:Hemp as an industry (What are the laws in your countries?)
Ahtman wrote:The problem with hemp is the 10% that are sincere in it's use are drowned out by the 90% that just want to get high. You almost never hear an argument for hemp from a non-pot smoker. As long as it is the case that it seems to be that the argument is coming from stoners it won't get much traction in shifting the political field.
That is quite sad actually... yet again, most Americans don't give a damn about Monsatan so I suppose it doesn't matter in the long run either way.
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2009/07/20 13:34:13
Subject: Re:Hemp as an industry (What are the laws in your countries?)
Why I am defending this I really don't know since i fall into about the last person who would care about legalization since I do not smoke but here goes...
Operation Green Sweep was a series of drug raids conducted by federal agents in California's Humboldt County which led to conflicts between local residents and the agents.
On July 29, 1990 a joint task force converged at a base camp in Humboldt County for what is known as 'Operation Green Sweep'. The operations was led by the Bureau of Land Management and consisted of approximately 60 drug law enforcement agents, 110 California National Guardsmen and 60 regular U.S. Army soldiers[1] from the 7th Infantry Division, the same unit that was used in the invasion of Panama during the previous December.[2] This marked the first time that the government had ever used military force against its own citizens in a drug operation. It also established that law enforcement officials--now cooperating with U.S. military forces --have the ability to search, seize and detain, without warrant or probable cause, in the war on drugs. Property may be seized regardless of evidence and forfeited to the state or federal government without regards to the Fourth Amendment.[3]
A contingent of 200 military troops conducted a massive marijuana eradication program where military helicopters flew overhead surveying residents, homes, and fields, and conducted road blocks, interrogations, and detentions. Violent demonstrations by Humboldt County locals against Green Sweep broke out. The first day of the raid resulted in the seizure of 200 marijuana plants and 700 pounds of farming equipment. In addition, three arrests for trespassing were made by BLM at the base camp (a diversion for others to photograph the camp). Two eradication teams were deployed the very next day and seized a further 523 plants.
Eradication continued on August 1, resulting in 683 plants and 2.6 tons of growing paraphernalia confiscated from the local farmers. Local citizens began attempts to disrupt military communications in order to slow the progress of the raid, the military responded by introducing code words into Task Force radio nets. The operation continued several more days in August. The public continued to protest (sometimes violently) the actions of the military and federal officials. On August 3, local residents threatened a military laundry unit with a pistol and another group fired shots at a UH-60 helicopter.
Though the operation was scheduled to continue until August 10th[4] all operations ceased on August 5, most likely due to the escalating demonstrations. The results from the property seized during Operation Green Sweep were: 1400 marijuana plants (worth approximately $2000 each) and 12 tons of growing equipment.[5] The local marijuana industry was ultimately set back three years, with significant effects on the local economy.[6]
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2009/07/20 13:43:06
Subject: Re:Hemp as an industry (What are the laws in your countries?)
Fallen668 wrote:Why I am defending this I really don't know since i fall into about the last person who would care about legalization since I do not smoke but here goes...
Operation Green Sweep was a series of drug raids conducted by federal agents in California's Humboldt County which led to conflicts between local residents and the agents.
On July 29, 1990 a joint task force converged at a base camp in Humboldt County for what is known as 'Operation Green Sweep'. The operations was led by the Bureau of Land Management and consisted of approximately 60 drug law enforcement agents, 110 California National Guardsmen and 60 regular U.S. Army soldiers[1] from the 7th Infantry Division, the same unit that was used in the invasion of Panama during the previous December.[2] This marked the first time that the government had ever used military force against its own citizens in a drug operation. It also established that law enforcement officials--now cooperating with U.S. military forces --have the ability to search, seize and detain, without warrant or probable cause, in the war on drugs. Property may be seized regardless of evidence and forfeited to the state or federal government without regards to the Fourth Amendment.[3]
A contingent of 200 military troops conducted a massive marijuana eradication program where military helicopters flew overhead surveying residents, homes, and fields, and conducted road blocks, interrogations, and detentions. Violent demonstrations by Humboldt County locals against Green Sweep broke out. The first day of the raid resulted in the seizure of 200 marijuana plants and 700 pounds of farming equipment. In addition, three arrests for trespassing were made by BLM at the base camp (a diversion for others to photograph the camp). Two eradication teams were deployed the very next day and seized a further 523 plants.
Eradication continued on August 1, resulting in 683 plants and 2.6 tons of growing paraphernalia confiscated from the local farmers. Local citizens began attempts to disrupt military communications in order to slow the progress of the raid, the military responded by introducing code words into Task Force radio nets. The operation continued several more days in August. The public continued to protest (sometimes violently) the actions of the military and federal officials. On August 3, local residents threatened a military laundry unit with a pistol and another group fired shots at a UH-60 helicopter.
Though the operation was scheduled to continue until August 10th[4] all operations ceased on August 5, most likely due to the escalating demonstrations. The results from the property seized during Operation Green Sweep were: 1400 marijuana plants (worth approximately $2000 each) and 12 tons of growing equipment.[5] The local marijuana industry was ultimately set back three years, with significant effects on the local economy.[6]
Whats the point? Cops raiding a weed farm, thats not exactly uncommon in California.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2009/07/20 14:00:33
Subject: Re:Hemp as an industry (What are the laws in your countries?)
Frazzled wrote:Whats the point? Cops raiding a weed farm, thats not exactly uncommon in California.
The point was that it was not just cops but apparently Military personnel involved in a police action which has been illegal since the a bit after the Civil War ended. I'll have to see if I can find any cases on this because it is a blatant violation and should have been easily litigated.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
2009/07/20 14:01:58
Subject: Hemp as an industry (What are the laws in your countries?)
Cops sure... not a problem... the Army though... come on chief... Oh wait... I forget... it is not an issue you care about... Doesn't involve your personal guns being taken away. Nothing to care about with the militery overstepping it bounds there.
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2009/07/20 14:04:56
Subject: Hemp as an industry (What are the laws in your countries?)
Although in my defense we've had US troops in the South several times after the Civil War...
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2009/07/20 14:08:37
Subject: Re:Hemp as an industry (What are the laws in your countries?)
Just to be 100% clear this thread is meant for discussing the Hemp industry, not marijuana as a drug. I could care less about a lot of these hippies, they are just as deluded as their republican counterparts. Medicinal Marijuana is all well and good, but going much further than that could be a huge mistake for a lot of reasons, that is why I want to keep this thread about industrial Hemp specifically.
As I first stated, the main issue I am concerned with is seeing a Hemp industry in America. If you look through the videos I have posted, you'll find a lot of products that are made out of Hemp. There is no doubt that Hemp is not a cure-all plant, although it may seem like it at first glance. Where I do not entirely agree with Mister Jello (and the pudding!) I see what he is trying to say. As Ahtman stated earlier, there seems to been no public definition between the Hemp industry and the Drug Marijuana. While the two seem inextricably linked, I can't agree that this is so.
What are the policies like in other countries on Hemp and the use of the plant as a textile. For instance, can you make your own paper in England for instance? Rather can you grow your own Hemp and make your own paper, or is the possibility of the a drug with all the qualities of burnt cardboard really that dangerous. France has developed their own strain that is nearly 100% THC free, and I can't imagine they would try to lie about something like that.
The main advantage to this crop seems to be A.) the speed of it's growth, akin to grass-like dicot (gross oversimplification) and B.) it's ability to grow in nearly every country on the planet. When compared to something like switch grass, which is the primary focus for ethanol (which is a seriously short sighted solution, don't get me started on bio-diesel) as a fuel source. The obvious advantage Hemp would have is it's ability to grow in much more varied climates, which I could simply attribute to it's growth pattern and leaf shape. This would mean you can grow fuel wherever you need it, cutting shipping entirely out of the ethanol issue, which happens to be one of it's greatest flaws.
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2009/07/20 14:16:25
Subject: Industrial Hemp as an industry (What are the laws in your countries?)
-Ethanol is a dead industry
-Synthettic fibers are stronger than steel and don't deteriorate as quickly-ideal for rope.
-Paper is derived from cheap pulp wood.
What were the uses again?
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2009/07/20 14:22:19
Subject: Re:Industrial Hemp as an industry (What are the laws in your countries?)
One plant that does all of that in a more manageable way. I presented the information to look through it if you really need proof, because it is there.
I actually prefer non-synthetic rope for most of the work I do, synthetic just makes for nasty rope burns.
Hemp paper is simply AMAZING for artists, there is absolutely NO comparison between tree-pulp and hemp-pulp, use a microscope.
Ethanol is a dying industry but it sure did kick a few people in the teeth on it's way out. Poor south america...
Hemp is not the cure-all plant, just an opportunity to open an entirely new industry (well... not really new) to the U.S. meaning more jobs, etc... Not sure how this is complicated.
From the little research I have done, and my experience with other plants, Hemp seems like a no-brainer in terms of industrialization in the U.S.
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2009/07/20 14:27:07
Subject: Industrial Hemp as an industry (What are the laws in your countries?)
You've actually not contradicted anything I just wrote.
Ethanol's irrelevant, better and cheaper rope is made from petrochemical fibers, and paper is made from any wood they throw into the grinder-not grass. I truly don't care, but these arguments are not supportable on a cost/benefit basis.
They might make some nice material for hippy tree huggers to make baskets though.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2009/07/20 14:30:09
Subject: Re:Industrial Hemp as an industry (What are the laws in your countries?)
You might target alternatives besides those three though. I'll give on the small natural fiber segment of the rope industry though and just assume its cheaper than whatever they are using now, even though I'd bet good money current natural fibers is a throw off product from something else, which is the same problem it has for ethanol assuming the enzymes start working for non-corn biomass.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2009/07/20 23:49:37
Subject: Industrial Hemp as an industry (What are the laws in your countries?)
There must have been a big hemp industry at one time where I lived in Iowa. I was living out in the country surrounded by cattle. I went to work on a farm in Maine for the summer. During that time the farmer that owned the land had put his cattle in another field for a couple of months.
I came back to find acres of plants growing so thick and tall a person couldn't walk through them.
Wish I'd thought to get a picture of me in the middle of all that.
2009/07/21 01:04:46
Subject: Re:Industrial Hemp as an industry (What are the laws in your countries?)
I remember being told that hemp grows wild in the midwest, but I don't know if it is true. After looking around it is apparently still growing wild in the U.S.
Here is an article about a bill that was attempted in 2007 to legalize the growth of industrial Hemp.
Sen. Tom McClintock, R-Thousand Oaks, says hemp is no more like pot than poodles are like wolves.
Law enforcement agencies argue marijuana plants could be hidden amid hemp, since it has the same 11-point leaf.
Bill supporters, however, say growers of both would fear cross-pollination —a development that would ruin both crops.
The problem with this argument is that you could hide the marijuana drug plants in a HUGE variety of different plants. The argument is totally invalid, it is a clear cut situation of we say so, and the law (from LAST century) has the last say in the situation.
Hemp was a commercial crop in California in the early 1900s. During World War II the government encouraged farmers to grow hemp for rope with a Hemp for Victory campaign when supplies from the Philippines were cut off.
The plant's stalk provides the strongest known natural fiber. It is also heavy in cellulose, which can be used in some plastics, such as shower curtains, building materials and auto products.
Regardless of either political side on this, it is simply preposterous to me that we don't take advantage of this plant. If I wanted to get all paranoid I could say that Monsanto would get hold of Hemp, entirely control the market while being supported by the government to eradicate all illegal growing operations. That is about the only reason I can imagine this being a bad idea. Monsanto is the reason this is bad, add a dash of legit government authorization you have the recipe to destroy all plant life on the planet... HOW FUN!!! http://www.organicconsumers.org/monlink.cfm
Monoculture's have been around since agriculture first started, so there is no argument there either. If we have a monoculture consisting of one well managed plant that support all of the other materials in manufacturing, we could start to make plastic and fibrous hybrid materials that could change the way we live, just like wood and steel. What if plastics were 5 years away from being bullet proof if research on hybrid materials was really kicked into gear? What possible reason could we have for not researching this?
I am going to have to talk to a few teachers and read a few books because I can't find any serious information about the facts on this. It all seems to be commentary... DAMN POLITICS!!!
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2009/07/21 01:11:54
Subject: Industrial Hemp as an industry (What are the laws in your countries?)
Hemp would undoubtedly be a decent resource to make money off of but like this thread has already shown the political climate for anything remotely close to marijuana is an uphill battle due to corporations and how they and the g-men brainwashed a substantial amount of society into hating and despising anything marijuana to the point where facts are substituted for drug-war propaganda.
I'd much rather paper be made out of Hemp than tearing down the rainforest but until marijuana is inevitably legalized as a recreation drug I don't think industrial Hemp will ever take off.
The History Channel had a decent special on the history of marijuana which deals with why it and Hemp is not around; if you video-google it you'll find out all about their troubled history and how corporate and government schemes barred Hemp competition in order to protect their own monetary and power interests.
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that it was, but you can't really discuss this without looking at the implications, saying that (whoever said it) Hemp should be legalised and indsutrialised in the US JUST because X or Y percentage is a X or Y user is not an adequate point.
Don't get me wrong, I use Hemp seed in cooking and use Hemp soap (naturally it's on a rope!) But it's a bit counter productive for a government to allow X drug product when another form is illegal.
I've never gotten why it's not illegal to possess magic mushrooms in their natural state, why do they only become illegal when prepared?
That's like saying a gun's legal until it's loaded.
Yeah, it's about money - of course it's about damned money, power, etc, but the government isn't always always always wrong, 'you're making tax off the hemp man!' is a non-entity argument against legalising hemp.
I'd have to read up more about it's history in the U.K to waffle on more, I've only ever dealt with the Drugs Misuse Act in terms of Cannabis/Heroin etc. It's certainly an interesting point either way.