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Ok, so if a uniquely wargeared unit of nob bikers already has a few models with wounds and some without (taken in the shooting phase) and are hit by one powerfist attack that wounds with S8+ (which is instant death for T4(5) bikers) is the ork player allowed to allocate the wound to a unique model that has one wound on it, or is the player forced to put it on an unwounded model.

I think it has to be an unwounded model because if I remember right the player allocates wounds until all have a wound on them, then repeats the process. I don't have my book with me though, so I can't say for certain.

You can allocate it to a unique model that already has a wound, yes. If there was another model identical to that one in the squad, with all its wounds left, then you would be forced to remove the less wounded of the two.

on multi wound models you may give wounds out to any model if they are unique but if they are the same then they die... dea that is lol.

It is at tough one though and you need to read the wording of taking wounds and armour saves very carefully!

The 5e rules states that whole models must be removed where possible. Meaning, you cant spread out wounds.

Pg 26, 4th paragraph on the right.

If they are all identical, then you can allocate the ID wound to one of the wound groups which already has a wound.

But, if two of the nobs were identical and one of them was wounded and one was not and you allocated the ID wound to their wound group, you would remove the unwounded model for the ID wound.

Clear as mud?

Most of the above is untrue.

When you deal wounds to a unit (rolling on majority toughness) the opposing player can choose to allocate the wounds to any model he wishes. You allocate wounds to individual models and there are no restrictions on which models you must allocate them to, except that each model in the unit must be allocated one wound at the same time before you can allocate a model more than one. These dont carry over between batches of wounds because once a saving throws are taken there are no wounds allocated, wounds have been dealt.

After this you take saves for the identical models in the unit at the same time. Whole models must be removed where possible, but only if there is a choice between removing a model and dealing a wound to an identical model.

So if a fully complex unit of nobs, some with only 1 wound remaining, was hit by a powerfist, it would be up the the nobs controlling player to allocate wounds as he wishes, so long as he allocates a wound to each model for this set of wounds before he can allocate a second to a model.

Its a little complicated but that is how it works.

Regwon FTW.

Not sure why you said most of the above in untrue, and then restate what was already said.

Dakka Dan - he didn't.

ID forces you to remove *unwounded models* from the *group the wound was assigned to* - however nothing forces you to actually assign the wound to a group with unwounded models as long as you have other groups it can be assigned to.

So you can have 1 nob on 1 wound, and 1 nob with different equipment on 2 wounds. They are two groups, and so you can put the ID wound (as it is just a normal wound at this stage) on the wounded nob and nothing stops you. You then resolve the wound (i.e. it becomes unsaved) and kill the nob. That's it.

Regwon wrote:When you deal wounds to a unit (rolling on majority toughness) the opposing player can choose to allocate the wounds to any model he wishes.

Wrong edition on that. Majority toughness is irrelevant, as wounds are assigned to identical groups.

kirsanth wrote:

Regwon wrote:When you deal wounds to a unit (rolling on majority toughness) the opposing player can choose to allocate the wounds to any model he wishes.

Wrong edition on that. Majority toughness is irrelevant, as wounds are assigned to identical groups.

You have to successfully roll to wound before you can assign wounds to individual models. For units with multiple toughness values you use the majority.

BGB, p19, Multiple Toughness Values wrote:
To keep things simple, roll to wound using the Toughness characteristic that is in the majority in the target unit

Oops.

Missed a step in there when I was reading it.
Or rather I think I read one that wasn't written.

My bad.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Dakka Dan - he didn't.

He certainly repeated my answer, in more detail, but then that doesn't exactly make "most of the above" an incorrect statement.