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I'm pretty sure this topic has been queried to death but I haven't been able to find an answer for my question, then again maybe I'm just rubbish at searching.

Was just looking for clarification on a situation where you have a unit with different toughness and multiple wounds, in my case it was a Warboss with Nobs (all armed the same). The situation is if a S8 Powerfist causes a wound on the unit do I:

a) get to choose whether to allocate the wound to either the Warboss or the Nob group and take the wounds as specified, 1 wound for Warboss or ID for Nob

or

b) have to take the wound on the Nob group because p.26 states "the player must first, if possible, remove one unwounded model for each unsaved wound that causes instant death."

basically does the ID bit on p.26 come into effect before or after the wound allocation.

Cheers

I think the warboss is an independent character so he can be singled out from the rest of the squad by the enemy.

I have lost my warboss doing dumb things like assaulting a warwalker. yay for instant death.

Yea the whole premise is false.

The warboss is an IC, and as such fights as if in his own unit in CC. To attack an IC in CC, you must be in base to base with him or be within 2" of a friendly that is (and not in b2b with anything else). The warboss takes any attacks directed to him and cannot allocate them to anything else. The nobs being a separate unit, have attacks directed at their unit as well. The attacks are worked out separately versus your warboss and nob unit.

What if it was a retinue, though?

If it is a retinue (AFAIK orks don't have one) then you treat the IC just like an upgrade character. In order for instant death to be inflicted, you must suffer an unsaved wound. Wound allocation is done before saves, so ID doesn't come into play until after wound allocation.

If the warboss is killed with extra wounds, say there were 6 unsaved wounds. Would the extra wounds spill over into the squad he is joined with? not a retinue, in this example.

No. The IC is a separate unit in close combat. So any wounds allocated against him apply only to him.

Wound allocation applies before the need to take off whole models.

If your nob squad was shot at by a lascannon you could put the wound on the warboss. In close combat, he follows the rules for IC in combat, as said.

Does it work the other way around? if i killed all the nobs with extra unsaved wounds would they spill over to the IC?

No. The IC is a separate unit in close combat. So any wounds allocated against the squad apply only to the squad.

ah well that is good to know. Thank you fine sir insaniak

Thanks for the clarification. Managed to miss the bit about IC and combat, that changes things quite a bit.