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Here is the reworked list for Ard boyz semi round.For those who asked my 1st round games were against CSM,Orks and IG in that order.I ahd a massacre and then two minors which netted me 50pts total.The CSM was a friend who plays for fun and not for the throat cutting win.The Ork player I worried about because he generally massacres me in almost all our games.However in this one the scenario was against and I went straight after the high KP units.The IG player had the standard Mech Vet list.He was definetly tougher but with the sheer anount of Krak Rockets I had his chimeras were caught flatfooted on turn one.Now luck had some say in this of course but otherwise the list worked exatly as I hoped it would.Now on to the reworked list.

Marneus Calgar in termi armour

Tigurius

#1Tactical squad,MG,LS,Combi-Melta,Rhino w/xtra armour
#2Tactical squad,MG,LC,Combi-Melta,Rhino w/xtra armour
#3Tactical squad,Flamer,LC,Pwr wpn,Plasma pistlo,Rhino w/xtra armour

#1Scout squad,Telion,ML,4 snipers,Camo-cloaks
#2Scout squad,ML,4 snipers,Camo-cloaks

Predator,Sponson LC,Chronus,Dozerblade

Devastator Squad,4 Plasma cannons,Razorback w/xtra armour

Sterngaurd,Pwrfist,Drop Pod w/deathwind launcher


Well thats the rework hopefully have a chance to try it out this weekend.Now besides the mobility problem being fixed somewhat any suggestion would be great.

Errrr...how about this:


HQ

Librarian, terminator armour.
125

Troops

Tactical squad, meltagun, lascannon, Rhino
220

Tactical squad, meltagun, lascannon, Rhino
220

Tactical squad, meltagun, lascannon, Rhino
220

Heavy Support

10x Devaster squad, 4x multi-melta, Rhino
245

10x Devaster squad, 4x plasma cannons, Rhino
305

10x Devaster squad, 4x plasma cannons, Rhino
305

Thats what i'd do and there's 860 points left, could take out librarian and add termies, calgur in landraider.

Interesting but a raider and termies are way to vulnerable to the amount of Plasma and Melta weapons I am sure to face at the semis.

Well you have 860 free points, achauly id rather have triple predators as support choice, and maybe some ironclad dreads dropping?

I very much like this list. It will take objectives better than most as you have so many troops, what I want to know is what Calgar will be doing? He's tough, and he wrecks stuff, yes, but you don't have any termies for him to ride with, no transports for him, etc.

If I were you I'd drop the pred and give the poor guy a few terminator friends. 5 assault termies for 200 points, 3/2 or 4/1 TH:LC ratio works well against everything.

How would you deal with:
Horde Orks behind a wall of kans. Orks can EASILY pull off 9 kans at 2500 points, and once in close combat only calgar or your sternguard could do ANYTHING against them.

Seer Council Eldar.

Shrike Assault Termie Lists, turn 1 or 2 assaults from 2-3 Land raiders might do bad things to this.

Calgars job is to make sure that when i have to my marines will never run period.You have to kill every last marine in shooting or CC before the squad disappears.Now that being said kill Calgar will become a priority,but he is an Eternal warrior so can shake off just about everything you throw at him

Well, he's not as strong as he need to be to run around alone.

A single marine squad rapid-firing will cause on average a single wounds. If one of those marines has a plasmagun is becomes two wounds. It would only take 2-3 marine squads to kill him in one turn, which is pretty surviveable actually. A squad of TH/SS termies (which you will see A LOT, especially with vulcan lists) would take him out pretty easily, maybe taking 1-2 casualties themselves.

If you drop the devs you can give him a land raider so he is more likely to get into CC with what he wants, or you can give him a squad of assault termies to help him survive. Remember, in shooting you can always allocate a few wounds to him to keep your termies alive, meaning for that 1 turn that they get shot at they will lose less termies and you can start ripping stuff up.


If you remove the terminator armor, however, things become different. You could stick him with almost any of your squads and make them more effective and surviveable, and with enough points left over for some more kitting on your squads, and you still get the morale bonuses.

I'd give your marine sergeants powerfists, in case they get hit by kans/dreads/wraithlords. Drop the termie armor on Calgar and the plasma pistol on your other sarge and I think you can afford at least 2.

The first list you posted in the other thread was better. You should stick with the first list that got you to the 2nd round.

Disagree with Darth. I think your still going to suffer a little bit against some of the heavier mech lists including a lot of the vulkan variants out there but at least your mobile now.

For 35 points a piece the rhino is hard to beat. There is no transport that is cheaper, and there are a few that it is better than IMO (the chimera unless you fill it with vets, for instance. a bunch of lasgun shots on the move is still just a bunch of lasgun shots, and 10 side armor, no thanks.

Razorbacks are very good too, for 75 points you could have an 11/11/10 vehicle that holds 6 marines and has an armament that can pen a land raider.

My advice:
Your dev squad is in a razorback with a TL heavy bolter. Heavy bolters are not very impressive IMO, if I were you I'd drop the heavy armor and something else and replace it with any of the upgrades, you like lascannons and plasma right? You can get both of those things for 35 points.

Id drop the extra armour. you really dont need it. Also take out chronus. This way you can add combi meltas to your sternguard.

I look forward to not having to fight either list when we go to the semi

evilmonkey now i wonder what list your running!

Actually he is a friend and we will be traveling together to the semis. I posted my list just look for it. We play eachother on a very regular basis so we know each others tricks so it would not be fun to play against him in a tourney.

So what about:

Calgur-265
7x Assault termies, TH/SS-280
8X Assault termies, TH/SS-320
Tactical squad, flamer, ML, Rhino-205
Tactical squad, flamer, ML, Rhino-205
Tactical squad, flamer, ML, Rhino-205
10x Scouts, 9x snipers, ML, Camo cloaks-200
Landraider Crusader, MM, EA-275
Landraider Crusader, MM, EA-275
Predator, Lascannon spons, Autocannon-120
Predator, Lascannon spons, Autocannon-120
Predator, Lascannon spons, Autocannon-120

What about this? Alot of anti-tank and considerable amount of anti-horde.




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So what about:

Calgur-265
7x Assault termies, TH/SS-280
8X Assault termies, TH/SS-320
Tactical squad, flamer, ML, Rhino-205
Tactical squad, flamer, ML, Rhino-205
Tactical squad, flamer, ML, Rhino-205
10x Scouts, 9x snipers, ML, Camo cloaks-200
Landraider Crusader, MM, EA-275
Landraider Crusader, MM, EA-275
Predator, Lascannon spons, Autocannon-120
Predator, Lascannon spons, Autocannon-120
Predator, Lascannon spons, Autocannon-120

What about this? Alot of anti-tank and considerable amount of anti-horde.




Automatically Appended Next Post:
So what about:

Calgur-265
7x Assault termies, TH/SS-280
8X Assault termies, TH/SS-320
Tactical squad, flamer, ML, Rhino-205
Tactical squad, flamer, ML, Rhino-205
Tactical squad, flamer, ML, Rhino-205
10x Scouts, 9x snipers, ML, Camo cloaks-200
Landraider Crusader, MM, EA-275
Landraider Crusader, MM, EA-275
Predator, Lascannon spons, Autocannon-120
Predator, Lascannon spons, Autocannon-120
Predator, Lascannon spons, Autocannon-120

What about this? Alot of anti-tank and considerable amount of anti-horde. 185pts left.

All three of those lists are illegal, Xav.

Haha, just messing around about your triple post.

Anyway, four heavy support choices are not allowed.

Sorry about double post and there are 3 heavy choices.

The predators, and the landraiders are dedicated transports.
I think the list is good what about you?

Xav- You can't have both sets of assault terminators have a dedicated land raider, either one set has to be regular terminators or the land raider takes up a heavy support spot so your lists are illegal.

Everyone-

Read the 2nd round missions.

Troops are worth 3 kill points in the 1st mission, so I'm going to be blasting at them all game long unless they are in reserve. (Troops & their transports take up only about 600 of my army meaning I have 1900 points on the table with only about half my available killpoints to kill if I keep the troops in reserve)

In the 2nd mission it is nightfight all game long. Things like Lascannons SUCK unless you use a spotlight meaning the unit that just used a spotlight is ASKING to have everything fired on it. Things like multimeltas, heavy flamers, and assault cannons will be better.

Things like Lottas and dakkafexes will lose a ton of effectivness that game.

So my advice is read through the missions and try to make a force that can pack a punch, but not be massacred in one of the missions.

Opps lol, but taking off a predator i still think its a good list, and youve got about 400pts left.
But the point is its got good assault units with support and enough troop choices to capture objectives.

I think the 1st scenario will favor my army,but the other 2 require i add some CC to fight over the objectives and table quaters.I will see what I can do about that.I am thinking about adding a Vanguard squad in a Redeemer.Any thoughts?

Nope vanguard i wouldnt recommend just because they are so expensive and die like regular marines.