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Before I go out and buy the models i'd like to get some feedback. (pointsmight be off since I don't own the codex).

HQ
Autarch- jet bike laser lance fusion gun

Farseer- jet bike fortune runes of warding 130
7 warlocks- 3 destructers 2 enhances 1 embolden 360

Elites
5 fire dragons 80
wave serpant- shuriken cannon or whatever's cheapest 100

Troops
10 dire avengers 120
wave serpant- as above 100

10 dire avengers 120
wave serpant 100

Fast
7 warp spiders 154

7 warp spiders 154

Heavy
fire prism- shuriken catapult or whatever holo fields 150

fire prism- as above 150

What do you think?

Drop a squad of Warp Spiders for a squad of gaurdian jetbikes they count as scoring units and you can accompany them with you autarch.

Hi there

First of all I would get stones for the prisms, since they are transport units and it seems that You want to use them only as a transport (because You are not buying any decent weapons for them).

Maybe get Yourself one wraithlord with a sword and EML ?? I have been always fielding at least one wraithlord and find it worth it's points.

If You are using dire avengers then buying exarch and a bladestorm is a must for them !!

Personally I have never used a seer council, they are to expensive for me and I like banshee+doomseer in a serpent combination more than council, however lots of players are using them to pop up tanks and to do some cc damage. Just do not run into something with 2+ save (most MC in tyranids ore Termies).

I would also suggesting buying some good weapons for the serpents, they are fast vahicles so You can move 12'' and still shot

I like the idea of aflax1 of getting one jetbike unit, it is excellent in capturing objectives

Best of luck to YOU

Thanks, I appreciate the feedback. I'd love a unit of jet bikes but, I just can't find the point for them. I really like the spiders, so i'd rather not drop them, and besides the autarch is joining the council for extra killyness.

As far as serpants with better weapons, I don't think its necessary, and the points are better spent elsewhere. Spirit Stones are not necessary since the transportts are only there for protection, and last turn objective grabbing.

Runes of witnessing for the farseer if you have the points because you absolutely can not afford to fail fortune

You want to double up on embolden for warlocks in case one dies you don't want to run away and lose your expensive unit. I like 8 warlocks in my seer council.

wave serpents should have spirit stones to get to the objective or your fire dragons in fusion gun range. Doesn't do if you get stunned and can't get on the objective or can't get to that land raider to pop it.

If you can find points bright lances on dire avenger serpents is good for some more anti tank other then seer council assaulting and your fire dragons who will kill one tank and die.

I think you should drop some spiders or the autarach to make points for spirit stones on wave serpents and another scoring unit. Don't like the 2 scoring units at 1850 at all. 3 Jetbikes with warlock with embolden that you keep in resrve should be ok.

Prisms should either have no upgrades to be cheap or holo fields and spiritstones so you can stay mobile and contest objectives or although its not fluffy eldarwise ram vehicles. Shuriken cannon is a huge waste of points with the str 4 defensive weapon rules. If you lose your prism cannon try and contest an objective or ram something.

Could You send me PM message after the tournament and tell me how was it ? I am very curious about this lists because i like spiders myself

Autarch- jet bike laser lance fusion gun

Farseer- jet bike fortune runes of warding 130
7 warlocks- 3 destructers 2 enhances 1 embolden 360

Elites
5 fire dragons 80
wave serpant- shuriken cannon or whatever's cheapest 100

Troops
10 dire avengers 120
wave serpant- as above 100

10 dire avengers 120
wave serpant 100

Fast
7 warp spiders 154

7 warp spiders 154

Heavy
fire prism- shuriken catapult or whatever holo fields 150

fire prism- as above 150

Well, the Autarch can go with the Jetseers. Embolden is the most important Warlock power as it increases the staying power and allows to reroll failed psychic tests (in order to fortune the unit).

Serpents need stones, while Prisms can be taken naked.
I'd take a 10 men unit of Warp Spiders including an Exarch with withdraw.
As said the remaining points could be spent for a Jetbike unit with shuricannons.

Since you want to play in tournaments some BatReps would be nice so we can track you progress.

Make sure you take two emboldens on the jetlocks and not two enhances.

For a tourney army two units of spiders is too much. They will be great against some armies but will fall flat against others. And the points would be better spent elsewhere, stones on the serpents, upgrades for the DA squads; at least make one of them a "real" DA squad with exarch and bladestorm.

Several of your units are ... almost units. The serpents dont quite have the upgrades they need (spirit stones at least), the DA arent quite there and the farseer is only half kitted out as well. Fortune gives his unit the defensive boost that bike councils are famed for, but hes missing doom which is the offensive half of the equation. You are spending a large chunk of points on several units but then not quite enough points on them to get the most use from them. Another 27 points per DA squad turns them into shooty killing machines. Another 45 points for doom and stones turns your jet council into a much more deadly hammer.


Sliggoth

Okay, so from what i've gathered I've re-writen the list.

So here's the new version.

HQ
Autarch- fusion gun laser lance jet bike 130

Farseer- jet bike fortune runes of warding 130 (I don't think doom is neseccary since the squad already wounds everythingon 2's)
7 warlocks- jet bikes 3 destructers 1 enhance 2 emboldens 350

Elites
5 fire dragons 80
wave serpant- spirit stones 110

Troops
10 dire avengers- exarch blade storm 147
wave serpant- spirit stones 110

10 dire avengers- exarch blade storm 147
wave serpant- spirit stones 110

Fast
8 warp spiders- exarch withdraw 213? (not sure on points)

Heavy
Fire Prism- spirit stones holo fields 160

Fire Prism- spirit stones holo fields 160

What do you think of the new list? I still feel light on troops though, so how would I find points to snag some jetbikes?

I absolutely disagree about putting spirit stones on wave serpents. They might work (1/6 of the time), but for every roll on the damage table your wave serpent has a 1/2 chance of being immobilised or wrecked, making your points a waste. In practice, you spend a chunk of points giving every tank in your list spirit stones, and there will be a lot of games where they never come in to play.

Bladestorm really does help dire avenger squads though, I'd make the points for it.

Honestly, I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly, thats exactly how i feel. The same reason I wouldn't put extra armor on rhinos. So, dropping stones would save me 50 points almost enough for a jetbike squad so, what else should I drop? Or should I just beef up the spiders to 10 man?

Stones are important for the DA Serpents as the DA are scoring units.
Fire Prisms can be taken naked. They have long ranging weapons so that they can be placed in the back field.
The enemy will be busy shooting the Serpents.
The Warp Spiders are a neat unit but they do not really fit into the list.
I'd add another Serpent with Storm Guardians.
I found that three scoring units are vital in larger games.

Add doom, Really if not for the council then for the shooting targets for the avengers, there is nothing worse than rolling three one's :(, also buy exarch shuriken catapult it is very cheap and awesome

Just lose an avenger from each squad, and you'll have enough points for jetbikes. If you stripped out holo fields and everything you could probably field two squads or a single larger squad. I've always found Doom invaluable for the Seer Council ... it's amazing how many ones I roll ... but I'm also one of those people who swear by Spirit Stones, so you're probably not going to want to bother with that. Looking forward to hearing about the tournament.

Serpents don't need more than 5 DAs, and certainly no Bladestorm.

What they DO need, is a Bright Lance in the turret. You have very little anti-tank.

Blast weapons aren't anti-tank.

I take Brightlance turrets just so I have the option to threaten tanks from range, but they suck. Most useful thing they've done for me is stun a couple of rhinos.