Falling back out of a building? [Planetstrike related]

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**DaOrkBoss**

If a squad takes 25% casualties from a template weapon (flamer, heavy flamer, etc) while deployed in a building and fail their Ld test, will they exit the building and flee?

If so, that might be a nice way to clear a building of pesky defenders.

**kirsanth**

That relates to 40k as well, in all fairness.

**DaOrkBoss**

Thanks for contributing the thread, kirsanth...

**kirsanth**

Oh sure.
I just did not want people to ignore the issue as it relates to the game at large.

As for actually helping resolve it. . .
I want to read first. I play Tyranids, vehicles (which buildings use the rules for) are not my strong suit.

**mikhaila**

The buildings/bunkers for planetstrike are essentially an immobile vehicle with armor 14. In normal 40k, you can't hurt the models inside unless you destroy the vehicle first, or they voluntarily get out. With reguards to bunkers, we have template weapons doing d6 hits, so it's an exception to normal vehicle rules.

In any case, I'd say no, defenders do not fall back out of buildings. They are a lot safer in the building, and their main job is to hold it. Just flame them again a couple of times to clear the building, and then walk in. I did that this weekend.

**kirsanth**

Page 80 of the main rules of 40k.

The same reason it is relevant to PlanetStrike.

**Lordhat**

Well, as there is no rule to prevent it, a unit that occupies a building/bunker and suffers 25% casualties, must take a morale test and fall back if it fails. However we are never told HOW to fall back out of a building/bunker. Presumably the measurement would start from the access point closest to the player's own table edge.

**Regwon**

Intact building are treated the same as transports, except that units from either side may occupy them, they are immobile and may have guns that the defended can use. Other than this you obey all rules that govern transports.

The only way to enter or leave a building, like a transport, is to either embark/disembark in your movement phase or the forced to disembark due to the vehicle/building being destroyed. However a unit that takes 25% casualties in a single phase still has to make a morale test. If it fails it will 'fall back' but not actually go any where, because there are no rules that allow it to disembark.

In subsequent turn the unit must continue to make morale tests in order to regroup. If they fail they count as moving, but again dont actually go any where. You may choose to disembark the unit in your movement phase as normal for deploying from transoirts, because deploying from transports isnt actually movement (which you are not allowed to do if you are falling back). If you do this and the unit continues to flee it will do so towards its own table edge.

Remember that a unit that is falling back is still able to fire its weapons, but counts as moving. That means that if you fail your test most infantry would still be able to fire their assault and rapid fire weapons, while broken and in a building.

**dietrich**

Is there any way to target models in a bunker/building? I seem to remember that in third (maybe fourth even), you could hit all the models in a bunker with a flamer. Is that rule still in fifth, or has it gone away? If there's no way to be targetted (by flamers or psychic abilities or anything), then there's no way to fail a morale check, right?

**Regwon**

dietrich wrote:Is there any way to target models in a bunker/building? I seem to remember that in third (maybe fourth even), you could hit all the models in a bunker with a flamer. Is that rule still in fifth, or has it gone away? If there's no way to be targetted (by flamers or psychic abilities or anything), then there's no way to fail a morale check, right?

There is. Its on page 80 of the BRB under template weapons.

**dietrich**

Is that a Building or a Ruin though?

I thought that Buildings were like transports, and you couldn't target the troops inside.

Sorry, I don't have my rulebook with me at work.

**don_mondo**

Yes, template weapons can 'hit' models inside a building. Basically, if the template hits a fire point on the building, then the models inside take a certain number of hits.