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You're a persistent one, Timmah, I'll give you that. You've been ducking punches for a dozen pages now, and dancing around the issue for an extended period of time that just frustrates the person you're playing against.

I'll also give you the fact that the codex is poorly written, and the rules are generally taken as they are written...

Frankly I'm just astonished this is still being discussed. I think 'My Librarian In Terminator Armour Can Sweeping Advance' should be one of those humourous random Dakka headers, because every time I open this thread I mistake it for one.