CSM - Plague Marine info/help

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**dareaper**

hey so im looking for a new army to start building and was looking for something i can make my own and i was thinking about CMS with a lot of PM's.

so i havent tryed chaos yet and havent seen the plague used at all but have read a fair bit about them and woundering what makes them so good?

i have the nids IG and eldar armys.

**Canonness Rory**

The thing that makes plague marines so freaking good is:
T5. Pulse rifles wound on 4's, bolters wound on 3's, lasguns wound on 2's!

Feel no Pain, everything not S8+, or AP1-2 must get through a 3+ save AND a 4+ save, AP3 still has to beat the 4+ save.

2 Special weapons. Regular CSM can only take 1 melta or plasma, and 1 heavy weapon, plague marnies can take 2 plasma or 2 meltas, but no heavy weapon.

They're ballin' lookin'. Seriously.

**Madgod**

Canonness Rory wrote:T5. Pulse rifles wound on 4's, bolters wound on 3's, lasguns wound on 2's!

Ummm......yeah. That's not good

Try Pulse Rifles on 4's, Bolters on 5's and Lasgun's on 6's (!!!!!!)

Other than that though hes pretty much right. Put 'em in cover on an objective and they just wont die! Plus plasma and melta.....

**Canonness Rory**

/facepalm
I cant believe I did that in reverse.
Wow, I need some sleep.

Other than that though hes pretty much right.

She. Canonness Rory is a FEMALE name.

**wuestenfux**

Well, PM are one of the best troop units in the game.

Give each squad two special weapons of the same type.
This allows to outfit the squad defensively with plasma guns in order to hold an objective, or to configure it with meltas or flamers and add an AC with power fist.

**Madgod**

Canonness Rory wrote:/facepalm
I cant believe I did that in reverse.
Wow, I need some sleep.

Other than that though hes pretty much right.

She. Canonness Rory is a FEMALE name.

Apply all of that to me calling you he. I'm sorry it's just so rare to find a FEMALE on this place. I totally apologise.

Unless you are a guy messing with me in which case : Dick

**Regwon**

Dont forget that they are also fearless and have defensive grenades.

Anyone that charges them will lose their bonus attacks, which takes a lot of bit out of most combat units.

They will never break from shooting and in the rare event that you lose combat you have a 3+ save and FNP to mitigate the loses from 'no retreat'

**dareaper**

ok sweet thanks guys so what would a good 1000 point list be.
how are deamons work with the PM's cuz i have some good ideas with all my left over nid parts.

**whitedragon**

Change thread title to "CSM - PLAGUE MARINES" so people know what you are talking about.

CSM = Chaos Space Marines

CMS = ???

**doubled**

Daemons were assualted violently with the nerf stick in the new codex, I have watched storm guardian (T3 S3) take out a Greater deamon in a single turn of close combat,

**Dal'yth Dude**

CMS= Content Management System. That's why I had to check out the thread!

**Cannerus_The_Unbearable**

doubled wrote:Daemons were assualted violently with the nerf stick in the new codex, I have watched storm guardian (T3 S3) take out a Greater deamon in a single turn of close combat,

I also lost a Lord of Change to a 10-man Penal Legion squad the first turn of a game, but that doesn't mean it's likely to happen. That seriously sucked hardcore though! 5 wounds inflicted, 4 3+ invulns failed. That same turn my Keeper of Secrets rolled 4 hits, 4 1s to wound some Grey Knight termis. It was not a good day for the MCs. Greater Daemons in the CSM dex are awesome though. The only thing to keep in mind with plaguers is that with their high cost you'll be cutting your nnumbers pretty significantly, so throw a squad or two of regular CSM to help a bit.

**Xav**

In 1000 points PM are a bit exspensive, so i would take 2x 10 man CSM squads with double melta and mark of nurgle to keep the theme, then in 1500pts say there Plague marines.

**Cannerus_The_Unbearable**

The MoN sucks, you might as well use Plaguers for the point cost. Do the mathammer and see what all you lose out on. The only time it pretends to be worth it is with a 20-man squad.