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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/28 20:40:47
Subject: Semi-Final SM ArdBoyz
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Spawn of Chaos
Texas
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I've made some slight changes from the list that got me second in the qualifier so I felt I would post the changed list for some advice. Quick bit of info for you all to consider, No special characters and I really like the dropping dreads. Enjoy!
SM Captain w/ pair of Lclaws
Librarian
Tac Squad w/ PF, Plasmagun, Plasma Cannon
-Rhino w/ ExArmor
Tac Squad w/ PF, Plasmagun, Plasma Cannon
-Rhino w/ ExArmor
Tac Squad w/ PF, Melta, Multimelta
-Rhino w/ ExArmor
Tac Squad w/ PF, Melta, Multimelta
-Rhino w/ ExArmor
Tac Squad w/ PF, Melta, ML
-will be riding with both characters in LR
Dread w/ AssaultCannon, ExArmor
-DropPod
Dread w/ AssaultCannon, ExArmor
-DropPod
Ironclad Dread w/ HF, Assault launchers, HKx2
-Drop Pod
Vindicators x 2
Land Raider w/ ExArmor, Multimelta
Only change from my original list was I had a scrut dread in DP instead of the IC and I had Vanguard instead of the non-mounted Tac squad riding with Characters. So let me hear some good advice.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/28 21:22:01
Subject: Semi-Final SM ArdBoyz
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Missionary On A Mission
The Eye of Terror
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1.) Relic blade beats lightning claws at everything forever, for the same points cost. 2.) Whatchyou got on your librarian? 3.)Love the tac squads, though the missile launcher is a little out of place on one. Consider just a flamer and 8 bolter marines. 4.) You have 3 dreads, which means 2 show up on turn 1. I dont like your loadout but if it got you into the semis im not going to complain. Which one is held in reserve? 5.)Vindicators are great. You should take at least 4 or 5 more. 6.) If your land raider is supposed to be a package delivery service, consider a crusader or redeemer. Both are insane anti-horde weapons, but with MMs and assault cannons up top they are great anti-tank. Godhammer pattern is decent at anti-tank and bad at anti-horde.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/28 21:24:12
Subject: Semi-Final SM ArdBoyz
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Sinewy Scourge
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Too many kill points in the 1st mission, though 3 dreads and 2 vindis can be pretty good in the 2nd mission.
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Salamander Marines 65-12-13
Dark Eldar Wych Cult 4-1-0
Dark Eldar Kabal 36-10-4
2010 Indy GT Tournament Record: 11-6-3
Golden Ticket Winner with Dark Eldar
Timmah wrote:Best way to use lysander:
Set in your storage bin, pick up vulkan model, place in list. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/28 21:34:22
Subject: Semi-Final SM ArdBoyz
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Spawn of Chaos
Texas
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I just left the librarian as the base librarian.
ML is free and melta is great against mech anything lists.
Whats wrong with the dreads...they will be dropped depending on the opponent and deployment.
vindies are heavies so max 3 but I like two.
The scenarios are out?!?!?
Don't own the other LRs so I use what I have. oh and the LR is a fire magnet more than anything but if it works it works.
LC give me an extra attack and re-roll to wound. RB is cool and all but one less attack and no re-roll is a no go for me.
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"Your like a monkey doing a math problem except the statitics are better for the monkey"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/28 21:40:28
Subject: Semi-Final SM ArdBoyz
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Missionary On A Mission
The Eye of Terror
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IMO multimeltas are better than assault cannons, so I prefer them. but again, if it got you this far. Forget the FOC, take 8 vindicators. 3 S6 attacks are better than 4S4 attacks with rerolls. Not only that, you can kill vehicles better in close combat and cause instant death to T3 (such as against guard heavy weapons teams)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/28 21:44:53
Subject: Semi-Final SM ArdBoyz
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Trigger-Happy Baal Predator Pilot
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lightining claws cant hurt t8 MCs. relic blades can.
i would take out the power fists and extra armour on the rhinos, gives you lots of points extra to buy stuff ur list does need. Marines are not meant to be in cc they are meant to shoot. so no need for powerfists. If extra armour only works 1/6 of the time why have it. Do you really need to move every turn and not be able to fire you heavy weapon gun that turn. I dont think its worth it on the rhinos. Land raiders and dreadnoughts yes because they have a load they have to deliver and something to charge as soon as they can so moving every turn is a must. Your marines are in no hurry to get somewhere but midfield.
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nWo blackshirts GT Team Member
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/29 02:12:00
Subject: Semi-Final SM ArdBoyz
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Spawn of Chaos
Texas
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can a PF be considered a CC weapon if I don't pay the points? I may take a relic blade for the captain but I'm not too sure. The EA I may take out but I'm not sure. What do you think my list is missing?
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"Your like a monkey doing a math problem except the statitics are better for the monkey"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/29 02:59:35
Subject: Re:Semi-Final SM ArdBoyz
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Wraith
O H I am in the Webway...
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RELIC BLADE. I would take landspeeders over dreads. MM/ HF. Can kill stuff well, mobile, not as many KP's... Maybe the same but not as easy to get. Otherwise I like.
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He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster and if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/29 03:05:39
Subject: Semi-Final SM ArdBoyz
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Stalwart Ultramarine Tactical Marine
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except LS with MM/HF are dead meat once they are seen and all the weapons you are hitting with are close range.as close as you are the Vulkan,Mech Vet list swat you like a fly
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Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam. Last seen at most tournements. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/29 03:21:03
Subject: Re:Semi-Final SM ArdBoyz
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Spawn of Chaos
Texas
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I think i will make some minor changes to the list but for now I'll see what i have available. I don't own LS.
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"Your like a monkey doing a math problem except the statitics are better for the monkey"
"Common Sense....The Ultimate Thread Killer" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/29 10:45:55
Subject: Semi-Final SM ArdBoyz
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Trigger-Happy Baal Predator Pilot
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Try this.
SM Captain @145 pts
w/ Relic Blade, Melta Bombs, Digital Weapons
Librarian @ 100 Pts
Null Zone
Tac Squad @ 210 Pts
Flamer, Multi Melta, Melta Bombs
-Rhino
Tac Squad @ 210 Pts
Flamer, Multi Melta, Melta Bombs
-Rhino
Tac Squad @ 215 Pts
Melta, Multimelta, Melta Bombs
-Rhino
Tac Squad @ 215 Pts
Melta, Multimelta, Melta Bombs
-Rhino
Tac Squad @ 180 Pts
Melta, ML, Melta Bombs
-will be riding with both characters in LR
Dread @ 195 Pts
w/ AssaultCannon, Heavy Flamer, ExArmor
-DropPod w/ Deathwind missile launcher
Dread @ 195 Pts
w/ AssaultCannon, Heavy Flamer, ExArmor
-DropPod w/ Deathwind missile launcher
Ironclad Dread @ 235 Pts
w/ HF, Assault launchers, HKx2
-DropPod w/ Deathwind missile launcher
Vindicators x 2 @ 230 Pts
Land Raider @ 260 Pts
w/ Multimelta
I would then add a scout squad or two attack bikes for 100 pts that you have left.
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nWo blackshirts GT Team Member
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/29 16:59:44
Subject: Semi-Final SM ArdBoyz
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Sinewy Scourge
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Again, 5 troop choices will get you murdered in the 1st round.
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Salamander Marines 65-12-13
Dark Eldar Wych Cult 4-1-0
Dark Eldar Kabal 36-10-4
2010 Indy GT Tournament Record: 11-6-3
Golden Ticket Winner with Dark Eldar
Timmah wrote:Best way to use lysander:
Set in your storage bin, pick up vulkan model, place in list. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/29 17:05:00
Subject: Semi-Final SM ArdBoyz
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Trigger-Happy Baal Predator Pilot
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Not if they stay in their comfy rhino and end up surviving the whole battle.
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nWo blackshirts GT Team Member
http://inthenameofsangunius.blogspot.com/?m=1 |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/29 17:33:29
Subject: Semi-Final SM ArdBoyz
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Sinewy Scourge
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In order to use those multimeltas you'd have to get close. Lets just say you are playing a Vulkan lead space marine player with 10+ multi meltas on things like attack bikes, land raiders, and land speeders. Because of the need for your tac squads in rhinos to be stationary to fire the multimelta the Vulkan player will almost always have 1st shot.
If attacking the front armor from MORE then 12 inches away each multimelta has a 88% chance to hit you, a 16% chance to glance and a 50% chance to pen, or a 58% chance to damage your rhino with each shot.
Now lets take in account that any damage result other then a weapons destroyed or immobilized means that the multimelta in the rhino can't fire next turn. that accounts for 33% of the damage table. So for each SHOT taken by a twin linked multimelta at more then 12 inches there is a 38% chance that it will result in damage that eliminates the ability of the tac squad inside from firing. Of course, there is also 24% chance that I wreck/explode your rhino for each shot meaning your tac squad doesn't have a rhino, mobility, and you just gave me a killpoint.
With over 10 Mobile twin linked multimeltas in my army I'll take those odds all day long.
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Salamander Marines 65-12-13
Dark Eldar Wych Cult 4-1-0
Dark Eldar Kabal 36-10-4
2010 Indy GT Tournament Record: 11-6-3
Golden Ticket Winner with Dark Eldar
Timmah wrote:Best way to use lysander:
Set in your storage bin, pick up vulkan model, place in list. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/29 18:08:00
Subject: Re:Semi-Final SM ArdBoyz
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Dakka Veteran
Dayton, Ohio
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Next to an ork trukk or a raider, the rhino is one of the easiest transports to crack, then your opponent gets a kill point. Squad is on the ground now, and anybody paying attention to the first round rules is going to hunt troops to the exclusion of all else.
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If more of us valued food and cheer and 40K over hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/29 18:14:36
Subject: Semi-Final SM ArdBoyz
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
Home Base: Prosper, TX (Dallas)
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God bless Reserves! I'm hoping I roll real low for a few turns
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Best Painted (2015 Adepticon 40k Champs)
They Shall Know Fear - Adepticon 40k TT Champion (2012 & 2013) & 40k TT Best Sport (2014), 40k TT Best Tactician (2015 & 2016) |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/29 18:31:26
Subject: Semi-Final SM ArdBoyz
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Trigger-Happy Baal Predator Pilot
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I dont know if you notice but he only wants to use a list that uses the models he has which is very limited as it seems. I just recommended a list that has the models he owns. Hence also not being able to make a list that will be very competitive.
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nWo blackshirts GT Team Member
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/30 16:00:56
Subject: Semi-Final SM ArdBoyz
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Spawn of Chaos
Texas
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Really? I'm actually trying to build a list that I like not a cookie-cutter dakka list like you just posted minus the DP dreads. I actually own quite alot for my SM. I just don't happen to have LS, LR varients, vulkan, or more than 6 bikes. My list is actually semi-competitive for one that doesn't follow the mold. I seem to have qualified for this thing with 48pts so don't knock the competitive factor of someone who qualified! :p
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"Your like a monkey doing a math problem except the statitics are better for the monkey"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2009/07/30 16:39:21
Subject: Semi-Final SM ArdBoyz
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Its not a ard boyz regional list. Your critics are correct. As long as you go with the idea that the odds are against you and have fun, its all good. I would not boast about your score to much either...
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