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2009/07/29 05:42:29
Subject: Zoanthropes gain but don't convey cover
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Water-Caste Negotiator
Clinton, TN
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I've tried search with no avail.
Situation:
Zoat is behind squad of Termagants, as other enemies fire through the squad which obscures about 1/10 of the Zoat's tail, the zoat gets a 4+ cover save as per rules pg. 22 BGB "Firing through units or area terrain" and rules pg. 21 "When are models in Cover."
Now, the zoat fires focused shot at SM in plain sight, rules pg. 16 "Line of sight must be traced from the eyes of the firing model..." and rules pg. 22 "Firing through units or area terrain...does not apply if the shots go over the area terrain or unit rather than through it."
The zoat can see over the gants, no part of the SM is obscured, he is hit and fried.
Does this work? and if so how about tyrant guard with Dakka Tyrant (2 twin linked devourers) behind gants, and warriors and such? thoughts and references if possible...
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2009/07/29 05:43:23
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2009/07/29 05:45:07
Subject: Zoanthropes gain but don't convey cover
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
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You've pretty much got it right. It's the same as hiding a non-MC-non-vehicle model behind a short wall (say... 1/4", so about knee-high on most models).
They gain a cover save from the wall, but because the wall does not block LoS to targeted models they do not receive a cover save.
So what's wrong?
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Why did the berzerker cross the road?
Gwar! wrote:Willydstyle has it correct
Gwar! wrote:Yup you're absolutely right
New to the game and can't win? Read this.
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2009/07/29 05:57:12
Subject: Zoanthropes gain but don't convey cover
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Da Head Honcho Boss Grot
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Zoats? They can't have line of sight, they don't exist any more. However, yes, you are essentially describing the Ork and Grot effect. 
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2009/07/29 05:58:00
Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
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2009/07/29 06:10:21
Subject: Zoanthropes gain but don't convey cover
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
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I think the real question is: do zoanthropes have eyes? 5th edition has really nerfed my wraithlords... they can't shoot anything any more.
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Why did the berzerker cross the road?
Gwar! wrote:Willydstyle has it correct
Gwar! wrote:Yup you're absolutely right
New to the game and can't win? Read this.
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2009/07/29 06:11:50
Subject: Zoanthropes gain but don't convey cover
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Swift Swooping Hawk
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Sounds offishul to me.
But yeah, it's pretty durned neat, isn't it? Enjoy your cover saves, because they beat the heck out of that useless 6++ they have.
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Tantras wrote: Logically speaking, that makes perfect sense and I understand and agree entirely... but is it RAW?
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2009/07/29 06:11:54
Subject: Zoanthropes gain but don't convey cover
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2009/07/29 14:25:27
Subject: Zoanthropes gain but don't convey cover
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
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Orkeosaurus wrote:Zoats? They can't have line of sight, they don't exist any more.
However, yes, you are essentially describing the Ork and Grot effect.
I can't help but laugh that this diagram designed to show one thing only, that being the ork not granting the marine a cover save when firing, actually grants the marine a cover save because his foot/leg is obscured.
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2009/07/29 15:51:13
Subject: Zoanthropes gain but don't convey cover
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Huge Bone Giant
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willydstyle wrote:I think the real question is: do zoanthropes have eyes? 5th edition has really nerfed my wraithlords... they can't shoot anything any more.
So do Tyranids get to draw LOS from their weapon's eyes too then? A fair number have them on the models. . .
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2009/07/29 15:56:28
Subject: Zoanthropes gain but don't convey cover
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Veteran Wolf Guard Squad Leader
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I think zoap's have eyes so they can still shoot in 5th ed unlike your wraithlords/wraithguard.
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2009/07/29 15:59:09
Subject: Zoanthropes gain but don't convey cover
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I can't think of any weapons with eyes....
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2009/07/29 15:59:44
Subject: Zoanthropes gain but don't convey cover
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Huge Bone Giant
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Barbed Stranglers on the MC sprue.
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"It is not the bullet with your name on it that should worry you, it's the one labeled "To whom it may concern. . ."
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2009/07/29 16:23:34
Subject: Zoanthropes gain but don't convey cover
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
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Timmah wrote:I think zoap's have eyes so they can still shoot in 5th ed unlike your wraithlords/wraithguard.
Looks like I'm going to have to bust out the greenstuff.
I think I will model my chaos army with 2" tall eye-stalks too.
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Why did the berzerker cross the road?
Gwar! wrote:Willydstyle has it correct
Gwar! wrote:Yup you're absolutely right
New to the game and can't win? Read this.
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2009/07/29 17:18:14
Subject: Zoanthropes gain but don't convey cover
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Blood-Drenched Death Company Marine
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Yeah, this is why gaunts are awesome, they convey mobile cover to shooty 'Nids like Warriors, Zoanthropes or Tyrants with guards, while not hindering the line of sight of these 'Nids.
coredump wrote:I can't think of any weapons with eyes....
Actually, various Tyranid weapons have eyes on them; Fleshborers, Barbed Stranglers, Death Spitters, Biovore's launchers, Venom Cannons, etc. The Tyranid codex even has a bit on how to paint the weapon eyes in the painting section.
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