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2009/08/01 06:44:13
Subject: Combat squads, dawn of war
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Water-Caste Negotiator
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Okay, when you deploying for dawn of war, you have two troop units allowed. Duh.
If you combat squad a 10 man SM squad, does that one unit now count as two units against your alloted deployment? The unit is broken at deployment, but how does that effect the allotment?
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"Now the general who wins a battle makes many calculations in his temple before the battle is fought.
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2009/08/01 08:10:26
Subject: Combat squads, dawn of war
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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You can have a MAXIMUM of two troops units and one HQ unit on the board at the start of the game, as per the rule explaining infiltration for DoW. As CS's count as individual units, this should be self-explanatory.
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Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2009/08/01 08:18:12
Subject: Combat squads, dawn of war
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Sneaky Kommando
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They act as separate squads, both can claim objectives, both are a kill point and both have victory points (half the cost of the total points cost of the squad before splitting, and as far as We play in New Zealand, Yes they count as Two units for deployment. If not You could take 2 x ten man squads spit them both and hold 4 key points on board or spread them out across the board, Like a unscrupulous player i know with 30grots in dawn of war deployment.
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ON A 2+ I GET TO HIT YOU OVER THE HEAD WITH THE RULEBOOK
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2009/08/01 08:39:33
Subject: Re:Combat squads, dawn of war
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Devestating Grey Knight Dreadknight
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I think that you can take two full tactical squads and combat squad them because they can not break up into combat squads until after they deploy. They do not become two units until after they deploy. For example; when deploying from reserve you make only one role for the entire squad to come on the board and it must come on together in cohearance. It can not come on as two squads at two different points of your table edge.
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2009/08/01 08:41:01
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2009/08/01 13:20:32
Subject: Re:Combat squads, dawn of war
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augustus5 wrote:I think that you can take two full tactical squads and combat squad them because they can not break up into combat squads until after they deploy.
They break up when they are deployed, not after. If they broke up after deployment, they would have to be deployed together.
As such, you're deploying two units.
For example; when deploying from reserve you make only one role for the entire squad to come on the board and it must come on together in cohearance. It can not come on as two squads at two different points of your table edge.
I'm not seeing why this would be the case. When they come on from Reserves, you make the choice to split them as you deploy them. As such, as per the Combat Squad rules, they can be deployed separately.
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2009/08/01 17:40:31
Subject: Combat squads, dawn of war
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Water-Caste Negotiator
Clinton, TN
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Thanks for the replies. I had a counter argument (used against me) that since they broke at deployment, and all deployment is simultaineous, that you could deploy the 10 man squads as your two maximum troops allowance, then combat squad them, but this did seem kind of strange considering the player now had 5 units in a 3 unit deployment.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2009/08/01 17:41:56
Currently Play/Own
= 3500 = 3500 = 4000 = 2500 = 1000 = 500 = 3000 = 2000 = 1000 = 2500 = 1500
"Now the general who wins a battle makes many calculations in his temple before the battle is fought.
The general who loses a battle makes but few calculations beforehand." - Sun Tzu |
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2009/08/01 19:03:56
Subject: Re:Combat squads, dawn of war
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Devestating Grey Knight Dreadknight
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If what you are saying is true Insaniak then what would stop me from deploying my tacitcal squads with one squad in a drop pod or razorback and one one squad on foot? I am pretty sure that they combat squad upon deployment not before.
Do you have to make seperate reserve rolls for a unit that you "intend" to combat squad?
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2009/08/01 19:11:15
Subject: Combat squads, dawn of war
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Water-Caste Negotiator
Clinton, TN
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Until they are placed on the table they are essentially one squad.
You can place one squad on foot and one in a razorback unless you have placed them in reserve (i think). Then one can simply embark once it comes on the table. The drop rule is different in that the squad can be separated once they disembark from the drop pod, not before as they have not been deployed until they disembark.
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Currently Play/Own
= 3500 = 3500 = 4000 = 2500 = 1000 = 500 = 3000 = 2000 = 1000 = 2500 = 1500
"Now the general who wins a battle makes many calculations in his temple before the battle is fought.
The general who loses a battle makes but few calculations beforehand." - Sun Tzu |
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2009/08/01 19:30:30
Subject: Combat squads, dawn of war
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Devestating Grey Knight Dreadknight
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Omega_Warlord wrote:The drop rule is different in that the squad can be separated once they disembark from the drop pod, not before as they have not been deployed until they disembark.
Which supports my arguement that you can not combat squad your tactical squad until after they are deployed.
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2009/08/01 20:03:10
Subject: Combat squads, dawn of war
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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The key term is 'during deployment", which is not before, and not after. It's not that you take the squad, set it down onto the table and then 'cut' it in half, nor is it that you 'cut' the squad in half, then decide when and how each piece will get onto the table. Rather, it is that you 'cut' the squad as it is being placed on the table.
There are special restrictions about being deployed into a transport, and you can't deploy the entire unit in a transport and then CS them as they Disembark. The droppod is an exception to this, not because the unit is not deployed till it disembarks, but because the rule tells you it is.
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Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2009/08/01 20:21:36
Subject: Combat squads, dawn of war
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Proud Phantom Titan
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The decision to combat squad is made when deploying. If you decided to combat squad then each will count as 1 Troop deployment in DOW.
Drop pods are the exception to the rules and they count as single unit (well 2 with the transport) till they deploy, when they can become 2 units (+1 for the pod).
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