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2009/08/01 18:23:42
Subject: couple of grey area rule questions
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I will admit that I'm new to 40K, so don't flame me too hard. Anyway here are my questions:
1. In the rulebook it states that a battlewagon without a killkannon can transport 20 units, so my question is, can I transport (2) 10 man nob squads in the same BW, if not please explain why not.
2. Can a 10 man burna boy squad be led by a nob w/ PK and BP or can they be led with a mek w/ PK or BP, or can they not have a BP attached to them at all?
3. My last question is more of a gripe than anything else, I don't understand why it is that if you take boss Snikrot to lead your kommandos (at a hefty points cost BTW) then you can't use a boss pole of any kind in the squad. I know you can take a nob w/ BP INSTEAD of Snikrot, but if you use the boss Snikrot you lose the BP, doesn't really make sense to me.
Thanks in advance to answering my noobish questions and have a great day!
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2009/08/01 18:38:32
Subject: Re:couple of grey area rule questions
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I can only answer question 1, which is you can only have a single unit plus attached characters in any given transport - the rule is in the BGB pg 66 under 'Transport Capacity'
Maybe Ork players can help with the rest.
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2009/08/01 18:42:52
Subject: couple of grey area rule questions
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1. A transport can only transport one unit at a time, including any attached Independent Characters. See p.66 of the rulebook.
2. Burna Boyz do not have the option of a Nob, although up to three Burna Boyz can be upgraded to Meks. Burna Boyz Meks do not have the option of either a Power Klaw or a Boss Pole. See the Burna Boyz entry of the Ork Army List on p.98 of Codex: Orks.
3. Yes, it's a trade-off.
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2009/08/01 19:00:46
Subject: couple of grey area rule questions
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Nurglitch wrote:1. A transport can only transport one unit at a time, including any attached Independent Characters. See p.66 of the rulebook.
2. Burna Boyz do not have the option of a Nob, although up to three Burna Boyz can be upgraded to Meks. Burna Boyz Meks do not have the option of either a Power Klaw or a Boss Pole. See the Burna Boyz entry of the Ork Army List on p.98 of Codex: Orks.
3. Yes, it's a trade-off.
Thank you for the rule clarification, but doesn't it seem strange that a unit of boyz (burnas are just boyz w/ burnas) can't have a BP, that is like a trukk boyz squad not being able to take a BP, nobody would field them. right.
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2009/08/01 19:48:00
Subject: couple of grey area rule questions
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sub-zero wrote:Nurglitch wrote:1. A transport can only transport one unit at a time, including any attached Independent Characters. See p.66 of the rulebook.
2. Burna Boyz do not have the option of a Nob, although up to three Burna Boyz can be upgraded to Meks. Burna Boyz Meks do not have the option of either a Power Klaw or a Boss Pole. See the Burna Boyz entry of the Ork Army List on p.98 of Codex: Orks.
3. Yes, it's a trade-off.
Thank you for the rule clarification, but doesn't it seem strange that a unit of boyz (burnas are just boyz w/ burnas) can't have a BP, that is like a trukk boyz squad not being able to take a BP, nobody would field them. right.
But there is no such unit as trukk boyz anymore, just a boy unit of 12 or less that takes a trukk as a transport. Burna boyz are not just boyz with burnas, they cant take a nob, and are an elite choice.
There are ways to get BPs any squad, but they involve buying an HQ and having them join the squad.
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2009/08/01 21:46:14
Subject: couple of grey area rule questions
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Elnicko5 wrote:sub-zero wrote:Nurglitch wrote:1. A transport can only transport one unit at a time, including any attached Independent Characters. See p.66 of the rulebook.
2. Burna Boyz do not have the option of a Nob, although up to three Burna Boyz can be upgraded to Meks. Burna Boyz Meks do not have the option of either a Power Klaw or a Boss Pole. See the Burna Boyz entry of the Ork Army List on p.98 of Codex: Orks.
3. Yes, it's a trade-off.
Thank you for the rule clarification, but doesn't it seem strange that a unit of boyz (burnas are just boyz w/ burnas) can't have a BP, that is like a trukk boyz squad not being able to take a BP, nobody would field them. right.
But there is no such unit as trukk boyz anymore, just a boy unit of 12 or less that takes a trukk as a transport. Burna boyz are not just boyz with burnas, they cant take a nob, and are an elite choice.
There are ways to get BPs any squad, but they involve buying an HQ and having them join the squad.
So, are you saying that if I use a big mek w/ KFF and a BP as an HQ choice, then I can attach him to the burnas. For some reason, I don't think that's legal. Thoughts.
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2009/08/01 21:55:26
Subject: couple of grey area rule questions
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Dakka Veteran
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Why wouldn't that be legal? It's just like attaching any IC to a squad / mob. You'd of course have to mod the KFF-model to include a bosspole, but that's a pretty minor modification.
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2009/08/01 21:56:23
Subject: couple of grey area rule questions
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Hunter with Harpoon Laucher
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sub-zero wrote:Elnicko5 wrote:sub-zero wrote:Nurglitch wrote:1. A transport can only transport one unit at a time, including any attached Independent Characters. See p.66 of the rulebook.
2. Burna Boyz do not have the option of a Nob, although up to three Burna Boyz can be upgraded to Meks. Burna Boyz Meks do not have the option of either a Power Klaw or a Boss Pole. See the Burna Boyz entry of the Ork Army List on p.98 of Codex: Orks.
3. Yes, it's a trade-off.
Thank you for the rule clarification, but doesn't it seem strange that a unit of boyz (burnas are just boyz w/ burnas) can't have a BP, that is like a trukk boyz squad not being able to take a BP, nobody would field them. right.
But there is no such unit as trukk boyz anymore, just a boy unit of 12 or less that takes a trukk as a transport. Burna boyz are not just boyz with burnas, they cant take a nob, and are an elite choice.
There are ways to get BPs any squad, but they involve buying an HQ and having them join the squad.
So, are you saying that if I use a big mek w/ KFF and a BP as an HQ choice, then I can attach him to the burnas. For some reason, I don't think that's legal. Thoughts.
Adding the bigmek is absolutely legal. He's an HQ, you attatch him to the squad. Pretty basic.
Boss Poles are nice, but not a total must have. I field a lot of units without them. Pop the burner squad in the Battlewagon along with a mek with KFF.
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2009/08/01 21:57:21
Subject: couple of grey area rule questions
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Proud Phantom Titan
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sub-zero wrote:Elnicko5 wrote:sub-zero wrote:Nurglitch wrote:1. A transport can only transport one unit at a time, including any attached Independent Characters. See p.66 of the rulebook.
2. Burna Boyz do not have the option of a Nob, although up to three Burna Boyz can be upgraded to Meks. Burna Boyz Meks do not have the option of either a Power Klaw or a Boss Pole. See the Burna Boyz entry of the Ork Army List on p.98 of Codex: Orks.
3. Yes, it's a trade-off.
Thank you for the rule clarification, but doesn't it seem strange that a unit of boyz (burnas are just boyz w/ burnas) can't have a BP, that is like a trukk boyz squad not being able to take a BP, nobody would field them. right.
But there is no such unit as trukk boyz anymore, just a boy unit of 12 or less that takes a trukk as a transport. Burna boyz are not just boyz with burnas, they cant take a nob, and are an elite choice. There are ways to get BPs any squad, but they involve buying an HQ and having them join the squad.
So, are you saying that if I use a big mek w/ KFF and a BP as an HQ choice, then I can attach him to the burnas. For some reason, I don't think that's legal. Thoughts.
Without trying to be mean i think you i think you need to sit down with the codex and possibly the BGB and read them again. IC may join any unit, unless they have rules specifically stating that they can't. In the older codexs (before codex Eldar) all armies had an armoury, from which some models could purchase additional items. (possibly you remember this way of playing?) This is now gone. In the newer codexs you may only make choices from the options listed for each unit.
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2009/08/01 21:57:58
Subject: couple of grey area rule questions
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Perfectly legal to take a HQ Big Mek, buy him some upgrades (Including BP), and then attach this IC to any unit (Including Mob of Burna Boyz).
I'm not sure why you think you can't. A Big Mek HQ is no different to any other IC, and so can be attached to a mob of boyz.
Yes, its a mite annoying that no Nob will go near the Burna Boyz, for fear of exploding, but ICs are braver/stupider. 
Despite Snikrot's Fearsome Reputation, he does not carry a BP (or equivalent), nor will he wear a PK. He will not tolerate another Nob in his mob, so da Kammandos are quite likely to use "hit and run" taktiks. i.e. get hit and run off!
Hope this helps
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2009/08/01 22:02:38
Subject: Re:couple of grey area rule questions
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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BlackSpike wrote:Despite Snikrot's Fearsome Reputation, he does not carry a BP (or equivalent), nor will he wear a PK. He will not tolerate another Nob in his mob, so da Kammandos are quite likely to use "hit and run" taktiks. i.e. get hit and run off!
You should write a Tactica article!
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2009/08/01 22:31:16
Subject: couple of grey area rule questions
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Savage Khorne Berserker Biker
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BlackSpike wrote:Perfectly legal to take a HQ Big Mek, buy him some upgrades (Including BP), and then attach this IC to any unit (Including Mob of Burna Boyz).
I'm not sure why you think you can't. A Big Mek HQ is no different to any other IC, and so can be attached to a mob of boyz.
Yes, its a mite annoying that no Nob will go near the Burna Boyz, for fear of exploding, but ICs are braver/stupider.
Despite Snikrot's Fearsome Reputation, he does not carry a BP (or equivalent), nor will he wear a PK. He will not tolerate another Nob in his mob, so da Kammandos are quite likely to use "hit and run" taktiks. i.e. get hit and run off!
Hope this helps
Yes, this does help greatly, and by the way nice speechcraft. ;-)
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