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Ok, so after a game of 40k, a buddy and I got to talking about assaulting vehicles and discussing what would happen if a unit assaulted a vehicle with a squad and the assault ended up going for several rounds? I get the whole "if a vehicle does not move, then any cc attacks are automatically hits" and not questioning that. What we are questioning is say a valkyrie becomes immobilized by a unit assaulting it (for the sake of this discussion it was not subject to the destroyed (wrecked) if hit rule). I understand that the vehicle does not become locked into combat (aside from walkers), but are the figures themselves locked into combat after assaulting the vehicle?(meaning that unless the owner of the valkyire chooses to move it, the figures are locked to it and cannot move away)

No, only walkers are locked in combat. Non-walkers cannot be locked.

You can always move away in your turn and charge it again.

No, you got me wrong Chrome, I'm asking if the figures (The unit consisting of infantry) are locked into combat. I know that the owner of the vehicle can move it during the movement phase, but can the owner of the infantry move his infantry during his movement phase if combat has continued into his next turn?

Oh, and another question is if the player of the assaulting infantry unit does not successfully destroy said vehicle during his assault, and the player owning the vehicle does not move it, does assault continue into his round as well (IE the infantry owner gets a chance to hit the vehicle during the vehicle owners assault phase)

Chrome actually does have it right.

Check out pg.63 for vehicle assaults. Basically there is no requirement for any combat resolution for either party. The infantry are free to move away and so is the vehicle (provided it is not a walker). That's why Chrome said you can move your infantry away and re-assault an immobilized vehicle.

Also, IIRC this means infantry that have assaulted an immobilized vehicle, but failed to destroy it, can be targeted for ranged attacks in the following enemy player's turn. The vehicle still blocks LOS, of course, but you are never 'locked in combat' and do not suffer the same penalties or benefits.

Hope that clears it up a bit.

DoW


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Oh and no, you don't get to hit the vehicle again. You're not locked in combat so there is no requirement to resolve combat in the enemy vehicle owner's turn.

DogOfWar wrote:
Oh and no, you don't get to hit the vehicle again. You're not locked in combat so there is no requirement to resolve combat in the enemy vehicle owner's turn.

Actually, pg 63 specifies that, though they are not locked in combat, they may still make attacks on the successive turn if the vehicle did not move and they are still in btb contact.

Deffgob wrote:

DogOfWar wrote:
Oh and no, you don't get to hit the vehicle again. You're not locked in combat so there is no requirement to resolve combat in the enemy vehicle owner's turn.

Actually, pg 63 specifies that, though they are not locked in combat, they may still make attacks on the successive turn if the vehicle did not move and they are still in btb contact.

Right you are!

Testament to reading the *whole* thing instead of stopping halfway through.

DoW

So then even though they do not move, they still get the +1 attack for charging into assault and for Orks (who was being fought) would get furious assault. Not trying to start a fight, just trying to find out so we dont run into this question again. Thanks for the help guys BTW!

s2ua7 wrote:So then even though they do not move, they still get the +1 attack for charging into assault and for Orks (who was being fought) would get furious assault. Not trying to start a fight, just trying to find out so we dont run into this question again. Thanks for the help guys BTW!

No, the models in base contact with the vehicle would only get any charge bonuses in the subsequent turns if they actually charged.

First round: The charged and get charge bonuses.
Second round (opponent's turn): If the vehicle is still in base contact, attacks can be made but since there was no charge this round, no charge bonuses.
Third round: The attacking models can shuffle back an inch and charge the vehicle again. (They're not locked, so technically they may be able to charge again without having to move, but it's a bit iffy but there might be some obscure rule about it somewhere...)

Yeah, that was more the question I was curious about. As the ork player would I continue to get furious charge every round even if I, nor the vehicle moved.

No, as stated above you do not get charge benefits in subsequent rounds. Furious charge only works for the assault phase you charged in.

Can you be locked in combat with an immobilized walker?

yes: walkers have a WS. Thus locked you are

Dracos wrote:No, as stated above you do not get charge benefits in subsequent rounds. Furious charge only works for the assault phase you charged in.

However, since you can't be locked in combat, you could simply move away and re-assault gaining furious charge again, right?

crunch wrote:

Dracos wrote:No, as stated above you do not get charge benefits in subsequent rounds. Furious charge only works for the assault phase you charged in.

However, since you can't be locked in combat, you could simply move away and re-assault gaining furious charge again, right?

Absolutely.

By 'subsequent rounds' I believe Dracos was referring to the following opponent's assault phase. Obviously you never gain any charging bonuses during your opponent's turn (except for Counter Attack, but that doesn't apply in vehicle assaults).

DoW

Lacross wrote:yes: walkers have a WS. Thus locked you are

So the only thing thing that will lock units into battle are WSs? Just curious as it sounds plausible as the only things that dont have a WS are vehicles (not including walkers). I was just curious if this generalization would be correct or if anyone knows of any unit w/o a WS that could lock something into combat