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<LORD>
Slann Mage-Priest 275
Focused Rumination
Focus of Mystery
Higher State/Becalming Cogitation/Unfathomable Presence
Army standard
Cupped Hands of the Ancients
[445]


<HEROES>
Skink Priest
Level 2
Dispel Scroll x 2
[150]

Skink Priest
Level 2
Dispel Scroll x 2
[150]

Skink Priest
Level 2
Dispel Scroll x 2
[150]


<CORE>
20 Saurus Warriors
Spears
Command
[261]

20 Saurus Warriors
Spears
Command
[261]

Skink Skirmishers (12)
[84]

Skink Skirmishers (12)
[84]

Skink Skirmishers (12)
[84]


<SPECIAL>
3 Terradon Riders
Brave
[100]

3 Terradon Riders
Brave
[100]

20 Temple Guard
Command
War Banner
[380]

Total: 2249

12 Power dice (+1 for every spell the Slann Casts)
7 Dispel Dice
6 Dispel Scrolls
4 Characters, 6 Flyers, 96 Other Models



My friends will be playing WoC (for sure), Wood elves (for sure), and my other friend changes his mind 3x daily between HE, Skaven, DE, and VC. This list was supposed to make VC useless because of all the dispell capability.

In that respect, are any of the Defensive disciplines worth it? I'm afraid the 20TG will dwindle down enough to expose the slann (particuarly against WoC and thier mages), and i cant let him be exposed, since thats santa's christmas bag filled with Victory Points. I dropped the sun standard to make room for another dicipline.

Comments + Suggestions are welcome, and apreciated.

Wow, that's a lot of skink shamans ... I'd suggest dropping one of them and getting 2 sallies (solo or together) to hunt on your flanks. The skink might get a useful spell, but in general I think sallies are going to give you more tactical options and not be so redundant / easy points.

Another option would be to drop a skink shaman and take:

Scar-Vet - charm of the jaguar warrior, great weapon, shield, light armor = 124

And then bane head on the slann, to make the most of sniper spells (metal) and rip into monster characters (thirsters!). Which leaves 10 points for whatever, maybe upgrading the scar-vet's shield to an enchanted shield? Then he can bunker down when the gw isn't needed and use his cold-blooded + slann BSB to hold somebody until help arrives.

Also, what about taking diadem on one of your skinks? Then if you're up against vamps you just store his 2 dice to have 8 DD + 3 scrolls next turn, which is pretty beefy!

- Salvage

I might consider dropping two of the Skink Priests in favor of putting one of them on an Ancient Stegadon with the EoG. You'd be losing a few power/dispel dice, but the powers the Engine has make up for it. It'd also be good to work the flanks with as you go up the middle with the Saurus. Also free up a few points to play with, maybe adding in a Salamander or a Razordon.

If you're really concerned about your enemy getting through your Temple Guard to your Slann, then the Sun Standard is a real good idea. That said, it'll take a lot of shooting and some really tough units to get through the Guard.

Yeah yeah. The prospects of my friend choosing VCs is unlikley since he knows that i made this list a while ago. I'll consider the EotG, but im more interested in getting more Sauruses. The salamanders/razordons are appealing to combat the elves, but not against VCs/WoC which is why i didnt take them in the first place.

Putting a scar vet on the TG unit sounds good too.

Lemme see what i can do.


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Also, the Priests were supposed to be attached to the skinks, so the Slann can fire magic missiles from thier LoS and if needed, i guess the Skinks could have a Ld Boost.

The priest with the cloak of feathers looks real cool to me as well. Im just worried that i might meet my maker when i start to play against WoC.


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Against Elves:

<LORD>
Slann Mage-Priest
Focused Rumination
Army standard + Sun Standard
Cupped Hands of the Ancients
Plague of Tepok
Bane Head
[415]

<HEROES>
Skink Priest
-Lvl 2
-Eotg
-War Drum
[430]

<CORE>
20 Saurus Warriors
Spears
Command
[261]

20 Saurus Warriors
Spears
Command
[261]

10 Skink Skirmishers
[70]

10 Skink Skirmishers
[70]

<SPECIAL>
3 Terradon Riders
Brave
[100]

3 Terradon Riders
Brave
[100]

20 Temple Guard
Sword of Battle
Command
War Banner
[393]

<RARE>
Salamander
[75]

Salamander
[75]

Total: 2250

9 Power dice (+1 for every spell the Slann Casts)
6 Dispel Dice
0 Dispel Scrolls
2 Characters, 6 Flyers, 2 Salamanders, 80 Other Models

Im bot so worried about Magic, I thought the halo ability of the EotG, Magic Missiles + the Sallys could do alot of damage since theyre all T3. The Skinks are there to take up a core slot, and i dont want to have just 1 unit. They should be able to widdle down the elves too, expecially if i can get them in a river or something. The Terradons are a must beacuse im afraid of the Reaper bolt throwers. Ive got the Sun standard on the slann, so that should help.


Against WoC:

<LORD>
Slann Mage-Priest 275
Focused Rumination
Focus of Mystery
Army standard
Cupped Hands of the Ancients
[395]

<HEROES>
Saurus Scar Veteran
-Additonal Hand Weapon
-Light Armor
-Carnosaur Pendant
-Shield of the Mirrored Pool
[144]

Skink Chief
-Blowpipe
-Light Armor
-Shield
-Stegadon Warspear
-Ancient Stegadon
[392]

Skink Priest
-Lvl 2
-Dispel Scroll
-Diadem of Power
[150]

<CORE>
20 Saurus Warriors
Spears
Command
[261]

20 Saurus Warriors
Spears
Command
[261]

20 Saurus Warriors
Spears
Command
[261]

<Special>
20 Temple Guard
Command
War Banner
[380]

Total: 2244

6 Power dice (+1 for every spell the Slann Casts)
7 Dispel Dice
1 Dispel Scroll
4 Characters, 80 Other Models

I'm very worried about magic from WoC, and expecially worried about thier troops. I dont think i need Terradons against them, and Salamanders shouldnt do that well because they can reroll panic tests. I bulked up on sauruses, and im gonna attach the Scar vet to the unit of TG, for an added boost, and for protection against magic missiles. The plan for him was to use 2 hand weapons, and once he scores a wound then he's ItP like the rest of the unit, and has 6 attacks i believe. I thought that the 2D6+7 Str 6 attacks from the Chief on the Steg would do well.

Comments/Suggestions?

So you'll be building to suit the opponent you're facing? Can't say I support that too much ...

But all the same, List 1 looks like a very generic Lizard army to me, though with more saurus and fewer skinks than you usually see. Nice on the war drums too, my fav for an engine. List 2 has an epic amount of saurus, would give the chaos boys a solid scrap. Thing is, I think you'll want skinks against WoC too, to bait those frenzied troops and poison those big monsters, more even than against the elves. You don't necessarily want to give chaos the scrap they excel at

And in both cases, I'm not convinced that 1 (hero) stegadon is enough. Thanks to new lizards especially, armies are built to contend with at the very least 1 big monster, so 1 steg will probably bite it in short order. The engine at least can ward itself and its friends on the way in, but the pokey guy is asking for it. That said, 1/3 games he'll probably get the charge and totally go ape with that impact spear!

Ultimately, I think I liked your first list but with my jag charm scar-vet in there Temple Tank + saurus + strong magic + skinks / dons utility troops ftw. Downright refreshing with no triceratops running around.

- Salvage

My thought exactly. I thought that 1 steg wouldnt do that great by itself, so i decided to completley drop the idea of having one, in favor of better stuff (like terradons). I was working on a 3000 list that had 2 EotG in it, and the slann. Slann in the middle, Engines on the flanks. I also was thinking about 4 units of 20 sauruses, but you bring up a good point with the skinks being there to bait stuff.

Do you think skirmishers, or a block of skinks w/ javelins + hand weapons be better? I was under the impression of never ever using javelins (EVER), and at that point, might as well make them skirmishers. I love the aquatic rule (although i cant see them using it more than 1/2 the time)

I Liked my first list too *cries* Im still scared of peeps with thier own lores of magic.

Whats so hot about the Jag charm? It gives him flying for a turn, and i was under the impression you wanted him attached to the TGs with the slann.

Thanks for taking the time to help.

Skirmishers all the way, the only benefit of the blocks is that min 10 is cheaper, and you can use them to divert when they die (turn the unit angled away and have them vaporize, exposing the enemy's flanks). Skirmishers do loads more, and with blowpipes for extra fun.

You have an impressively magic heavy army, so I think the jag charm has a good chance of going of in the first place. What it does is give you options - he can zap out and (with luck) kill some knights and lock them down, kill support units easily, boost around the backfield killing war machines (supporting the 'dons in this case), tag out enemy characters wandering around, etc, etc. OR he can sit in one of those saurus blocks and lock up an enemy character with his 1+ save or smash things with his S7, or even tag into the big old temple guard and help them out likewise. He really is a useful guy

Also, here's a more complete version of my take on your first list:

L: Slann - BSB, focused rumination, focus of mystery, becalming cogitation, cupped hands, bane head = 460
H: Skink Priest - level 2, diadem, scroll = 150
H: Skink Priest - level 2, scroll, scroll = 150
H: Scar-Veteran - jag charm, enchanted shield, great weapon, light armor = 134

C: 20 Saurus - full command, spears = 261
C: 20 Saurus - full command, spears = 261
C: 12 Skinks = 84
C: 12 Skinks = 84
C: 10 Skinks = 70

S: 21 Temple Guard - warbanner, burning blade, full command = 416
S: 3 Terradons = 90
S: 3 Terradons = 90
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2250

1) Bane head on the slann, cause it's awesome. I'd also choose cogitation myself, because it really plays havok with the other guy's big caster. That, and you should be able to keep your slann away from things that he needs to regen / be invulnerable against. Stone throwers do happen, but trust in your saurus to push him out of the way I guess.
2) Scar-vet, whee! The e.shield is questionable, venom of the firefly frog is probably my close second choice, same points but he can hurt wraiths.
3) 1 less priest to pay for him, and I traded a scroll for diadem, which can make for an 8 die dispel phase. Epic stuff, and skink magic is so-so itself.
4) Few less skinks to pay for other toys ...
5) 1 more temple guard so w/ slann that's full ranks, and I slapped the BB on the champ cause it too is awesome. So cheap but so burny.

I do like the list a lot, would be fun to play. I'd give it good marks in comp too, with those 3 big saurus blocks and no engine.

- Salvage

Thank you very much, for taking the time to edit the list. It makes a lot more sense now.

1.) it is awsome now that i read the 1st spell for the metal lore. I skipped over that. The metal lore is so beastly.
2.) Thanks for the pointers on him. Ill try him out your way. seems like a hoot.
3.) Makes sense. I actually noticed the diadem after i posted this list, and im completley aware that skink magic blows. THeyre there for Luggage carriers, dispell dice, and things to shoot missiles from.
4.) Makes sense.
5.) 20 TG should fill the formation out, 4x6. 6 in the front, 4 on each side of the slan, and 6 in the rear. What did you mean by this?

the GW people keep telling me to get an engine, but i say screw that! Im holding them out for a 3000 list. (just like me never using a monolith in a necron list). I love my core choices too much.

Thanks again for all the help and suggestions, expecially beacuse i didnt have to tear my list completley apart. Thats always a shame when you've already paid for the models.

On the ranks, I've played skaven a lot and I always go with 25 to start ... Totally forgot that 20 gives you all the goods I guess with 21 you could have a nice 5x5 square, but I think you're right that 6-wide is the way to be. Toss that TG and you're back to 3x 12 skinks ...

Fight the stegadon sellathon! You can do it!

Good luck with the list, hope it works for you. Happy to help

- Salvage

Lol! The sellathon reminds me exactly about how they try to get all the Necron noobs sold on the monoliths, because theyre expensive models and GW wants to make money. THeyre not worth loosing all the room for warriors + (h.) destroyers below 2000 or 2500 pts.

Yeah i was gonna bump the skinks back. I kinda wanted to do units of 10 skinks though, because of the way the sprues are set up. Looks like ill have to order some blowpipes from a bitz vendor.

I also wanted to do blocks of 5x5 with the warriors, but thats not gonna happen so long as i like my anti-magic.

I'll try. I still gotta get used to all of the rules. I ordered 1/2 of this army already, so it does me good knowing that i bought the right stuff. (Im new to Fantasy, and im taking a break from buying Necron stuff till the new Dex comes out. I still have to convert my remaining battleforce warriors to immortals, and i guess i could pick up some more h. destroyers. Then im set)

I am just going to say that if you want to take all those Skink Preists, and power to you, you do not need more than two or three Dispel Scrolls, especially in 2250.