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Hello I just started Warhammer 40k a few months ago and Im wondering if I should start getting scout.
I think I have about 1700 points.
mephiston
corbulo

X5 death company with jump packs
terminators (getting thunder hammer and storm shields thinking of making it into lightning claws.)

2 tacticals
3 devestators( a 10 man and X2 5 man squads)(3 Plasma Canons, Lazcannon, heavy bolter 2 sergeants, and the rest regular sm)

Land Raider


I'm wondering if I should get 5 scouts with sniper rifles.
Please tell me your thoughts.
Thx for reading!

Scouts are kind of lousy in Blood Angels armies, since they take up a valuable elites choice and aren't scoring. If you were playing Codex: Space Marines, I'd say go for it, but they're not incredibly useful to Blood Angels.

Blood angels scouts are a negative my friend, Brother SRM is totally right, and Mephiston, I wouldn't play in anything less then 2000 points, all your eggs in one basket kinda deal, for his cost you can get another fully outfited scoring unit, be it assualt squad or tactical, also best bang for you buck HQ is Lemarties, you cannot give a chaplin the same wargear for his price, plus the reroll hits helps the death company rend.

at that point total, I'd strongly recomend another troop choice. Scouts, as stated, are going to be pretty useless for your army

what if I get a landspeeder squadron will that help?


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I'm also wondering if my termies should have lightning claw or thunder hammer.
Well, I can get both but I'm wondering if I need both.
Please tell me your suggestions.

if your TH SS terms give you a 4++ or 3++ save vs shooting as well as CC then I'd say yes, otherwise LC termies should make up the majority of the squad.

I don't understand your question about the landspeeders

I'm wondering if getting a land speeder is better then getting scouts.


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oh and do you mean invulnerable save or regular save because termies have 5+ invulnerable and 2+ armor save.

A combination is always better, im not too familiar wth all the different flavors of Codex: Different colored space marines, so remind me, do blood angels get the cool 3+ invuln save storm shields, or the crappy 4+ invuln save in combat storm shields?

If it is the cool 3+ save ones, go with a 4:1 TH:LC combo, if it is the crappy 4+ save ones, go with a 50:50.

daesung wrote:I'm wondering if getting a land speeder is better then getting scouts.


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oh and do you mean invulnerable save or regular save because termies have 5+ invulnerable and 2+ armor save.

Land speeders are good, they can either go tank hunting, or bombard infantry and light tanks from afar depending on how you build em. So I'd say yes

I mean invulerable save. TH SS terms modify their invulnerable saves through the use of the storm shield, making them great at soaking up damage. But in the older codexes storm shields only offer this boost in CC and even then it's only a 4++. If this is not the case, then take 4:1 or 3:1 Thunder hammer terms to LC terms.

Blood Angels use the old version of Storm Shields (4+ invulnerable save in close combat only). I'd stick with lightning claws, maybe 1 TH/SS for that extra punch.

I don't see enough jump packs in that list. That makes me sad. That being said, land speeders are a great addition to any army.

I usually never go out without a Scout unit.
10 Scouts with 5 sniper rifles and missile launcher, combat squadded if necessary.

wuestenfux wrote:I usually never go out without a Scout unit.
10 Scouts with 5 sniper rifles and missile launcher, combat squadded if necessary.

At those points, for the Elite slot, I'd rather field a Venerable Death Company Furioso with a heavy flamer. It would actually be cheaper.

It really seems to depend on the army you're facing.
If going up against MC's, I almost always suggest a squad

i'd say ignore scouts and get another assault quad

I agree with wuestenfux: Go for the Scouts.

Remember that with the new Sniper weapon rules, the Blood Angel Scout BS4 makes them a more effective sniper unit than common Space Marine Scouts. Such a unit is good for suppressing shooting armies that will otherwise shoot up your assault elements. Just remember the Missile Launcher to crack any transports that they may be loitering inside.

I think you should consider getting a Chaplain with a Jump Pack, or even Chaplain Lemartes himself, because otherwise the Death Company is on their own, and that can get in the way of a well-executed plan. Alternately, you could ditch the Jump Packs for the Death Company and bundle them into a Rhino with Corbulo to follow up the Land Raider.

I was thinking of putting mephiston with death company cuz he has wings of saguinius and I don't really know about the storm shields invulnerable save.But I'm also thinking of getting a landspeeder later.
Please tell me more opinions.
Thanks.

The thing to remember about Mephiston is he can be instant killed by strength 10 and he has no invul save, and with 5th ed no FNP against meltas and plasmas which are becomeing commen in the new edition, (My guard army has something like 16 meltas) Also fail 1 psych test and you lose movement for the entire squad, which does start to matter against eldar with the stones of warding, or against an army that can stall your power. I would also think about dropping a dev squad and switching your tact squads into assualt squads with rhinos, (free upgrade when you drop the jpacks). Drop Meph and take lamarties to lead your death company and run them up directly behind your rhinos which will move better due to the overdrive engines. Also something to consider, dropping your land raider and termies and getting a loaded out honour guard maybe with jump packs and Dante leading, thats a lot of power weapon attacks if you do it right.

But Mephiston also a psychic powers and I can kill monster or any other guys with more then 1 wound easily if they get wounded!

I'm starting to think Scouts shouldn't be in BA really?

U say you can kill enemy the monsters with physic powers

1) what if you fail test
2) what if they shoot you with a weapon with str double ur toughness

hhhhmmm........
I suk at rolling so I get like 90% rolls of less then 3!

Blood angels scouts are elites? damn. Thats pretty harsh.

If you're playing regular SM, and you're fairly new to the game, grab 5 scouts with snipers+ML. Infiltrate lets you find a nice little spot in cover for them, and they are suprisingly survivable since most people you are going to be playing (assuming new/newish players) are going to rather shoot your marines. If you think Mephistons psychic shenanigans is going to take out a Monsterous creature, have a look at what 4 snipers and ML will do to it. That squad is why my friend dropped an avatar from his list. He got sick and tired of it living approximately 2 turns

Blood Angel Scouts are rightly Elite: that way you can have six Tactical squads or six Assault squads and still take Scouts to provide covering fire against Monstrous Creatures. I think I mentioned this, but the Blood Angel Scout BS4 makes them much better at this than Space Marine Scouts.

AAA so BLood Angels Scouts are actually really good. right?

Blood Angels scouts are effective, and giving them sniper rifles and possibly a missle launcher will cause a number of headaches for an oppenent. The reason that most blood angels players don't take them is simply the fact they are not a scoring unit in 5th ed. If you have an extra 100 points you do not know what to do with, a unit of scouts can be used nicely as a support unit. I myself do not use them, but every infantry unit I use is strapped to a jump pack. Dante with an honour guard with the banner he gives, a company champ and 2 power fists in the squad on the charge gives me 11 power weapon attacks, and 8 power fist attacks, all with Preferred Enemy. 2 plasma pistols and 3 melta guns to shot first, with a medic to ignore the first guy plasmaing himself which I will always do it seems. I wreck everything from daemon princes to carnifex's in a round of combat. Against anything but khorne lords, genestealers, and haliquiens I will total it provided I don't move like a brain dead rutabega. The downside, like 500 points.

hhhmmm I might need an extra 100 points!

Depends on your area, some reason up here 1850 seems to be the new tourny size.

o ok!Gotcha ;D

As a Blood Angels collector like you`re self I would not advise you to buy scouts as they are non-nos in a SM Blood Angels army, but the sniper does tempt me a bit but still no. I would go for what you have already and some Death company members? they have alot of advantges such as feel no pain and their melee attacks are all rendering.


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BTW simething I really like about BA is their chief librarian Mephiston. He can use all three physic powers which is just awesome.