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I need clarification on how Target Locks work. Here's the scenario:

Let's say I have a squad of crisis suits, each with a plasma rifle and a missile pod, and also with multitrackers and target locks. Say there's a squad of tactical marines, and also a landspeeder in range. On my shooting phase, can I fire my plasma rifles at the tac. squad, and at the same time fire my missile pods at the landspeeder?

tiberius183 wrote:I need clarification on how Target Locks work. Here's the scenario:

Let's say I have a squad of crisis suits , each with a plasma rifle and a missile pod, and also with multitrackers and target locks. Say there's a squad of tactical marines, and also a landspeeder in range. On my shooting phase, can I fire my plasma rifles at the tac. squad, and at the same time fire my missile pods at the landspeeder?

What it means is that one of your Crisis suits (for each target lock) can shoot all weapons at the Landspeeder while the rest of the squad shoots at the Tac squad.....

Outfit that suit for anti-tank, and the rest for anti-infantry and you will never run out of targets to shoot at

tiberius183 wrote:I need clarification on how Target Locks work. Here's the scenario:

Let's say I have a squad of crisis suits, each with a plasma rifle and a missile pod, and also with multitrackers and target locks. Say there's a squad of tactical marines, and also a landspeeder in range. On my shooting phase, can I fire my plasma rifles at the tac. squad, and at the same time fire my missile pods at the landspeeder?

IIRC, the unit you're listing isn't possible. you can only have 3 weapons or special items for a suit and you have 4 (plasma, missle, multitracker, target locks). the only way you could get the target lock for a standard suit unit is to upgrade a suit to a team leader, thereby gaining access to the hardwired wargear armory (specifically the multitracker in it). for nonvehicle models, the multitracker allows that MODEL to target a different squad than the rest of the squad. in your example (assuming you upgrade to a team leader), you could have two suits fire their weapons on the tac marines and the leader fire his on the landspeeder. for vehicles, the multitracker allows you to split up individual weapons on the same vehicle to different targets. so, a hammerhead could fire it's big railgun at a landraider and the smart missle system at the scouts creeping up to his flank. hope that helps!

Warboss: assume it's an HQ selection with bodyguard- all the bodyguards are identical to the Shas'vre team leaders in terms of the gear they are allowed to select.


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But to clarify further now that I've re-read the thread and slapped myself for missing this, the target lock allows an individual suit to fire at a different target, but not split it's own weaponry between two targets.

warboss wrote:IIRC, the unit you're listing isn't possible. you can only have 3 weapons or special items for a suit and you have 4 (plasma, missle, multitracker, target locks). the only way you could get the target lock for a standard suit unit is to upgrade a suit to a team leader, thereby gaining access to the hardwired wargear armory (specifically the multitracker in it).

Actually, with an HQ and Bodyguards, they all have the ability to take Hard-Wired Target Locks (Shas'el, Shas'o, Shas'vre ranks), thereby giving all three the ability to shoot at different targets. That would be a waste of points, IMO, but you could do it.

Malecus is correct however, a Target Lock only allows the actual Suit to split its fire from the other Suits in the unit, not individual weapons. What this means is when the entire unit is about to fire, declare all separate targets for the suits with Target Locks, and then take shots as necessary, each Suit with a Target Lock shooting at different enemy units as declared. Once the fire is split, it's split, no redefining targets after rolls to hit are made.

There is a small group of diehard RAWheads that will tell you that the Target Lock no longer works because the rules specify the unit using Target Locks must take a Target Priority test in order for separate shots to be taken, and Target Priority tests no longer exist, thereby counteracting the wargear. Anybody with common sense can see how they are supposed to work, and will let you do it, requiring no Target Priority test to be taken.

synchronicity wrote:

warboss wrote:IIRC, the unit you're listing isn't possible. you can only have 3 weapons or special items for a suit and you have 4 (plasma, missle, multitracker, target locks). the only way you could get the target lock for a standard suit unit is to upgrade a suit to a team leader, thereby gaining access to the hardwired wargear armory (specifically the multitracker in it).

Actually, with an HQ and Bodyguards, they all have the ability to take Hard-Wired Target Locks (Shas'el, Shas'o, Shas'vre ranks), thereby giving all three the ability to shoot at different targets. That would be a waste of points, IMO, but you could do it.

Malecus is correct however, a Target Lock only allows the actual Suit to split its fire from the other Suits in the unit, not individual weapons. What this means is when the entire unit is about to fire, declare all separate targets for the suits with Target Locks, and then take shots as necessary, each Suit with a Target Lock shooting at different enemy units as declared. Once the fire is split, it's split, no redefining targets after rolls to hit are made.

There is a small group of diehard RAWheads that will tell you that the Target Lock no longer works because the rules specify the unit using Target Locks must take a Target Priority test in order for separate shots to be taken, and Target Priority tests no longer exist, thereby counteracting the wargear. Anybody with common sense can see how they are supposed to work, and will let you do it, requiring no Target Priority test to be taken.

he makes no mention of saying that it's a commander and his bodyguard (big distinction) so i used the standard crisis suit squad listed in his post. agreed, the commander and bodyguard could do that if you wanted to waste a collossal amount of points on purpose.

We stand at the precipice of the abyss gentlemen. A RAW debate about target lock is always a never ending descent into oblivion. Please let us tread carefully around this dangerous terrain. I think two posters died last time we had this debate.

Each member of the squad may target a different unit, so no you would not be able to fire the plasmas at one and the missiles at another.

You may have a select number of the models fire at the one unit and a select number fire at another etc. You must also declare all shooting before you start shooting. Pop shoting till you make something go boom and move to the next is a no go.

phillosmaster wrote:We stand at the precipice of the abyss gentlemen. A RAW debate about target lock is always a never ending descent into oblivion. Please let us tread carefully around this dangerous terrain. I think two posters died last time we had this debate.

Listen to the man!

warboss wrote:

synchronicity wrote:

warboss wrote:IIRC, the unit you're listing isn't possible. you can only have 3 weapons or special items for a suit and you have 4 (plasma, missle, multitracker, target locks). the only way you could get the target lock for a standard suit unit is to upgrade a suit to a team leader, thereby gaining access to the hardwired wargear armory (specifically the multitracker in it).

Actually, with an HQ and Bodyguards, they all have the ability to take Hard-Wired Target Locks (Shas'el, Shas'o, Shas'vre ranks), thereby giving all three the ability to shoot at different targets. That would be a waste of points, IMO, but you could do it.

Malecus is correct however, a Target Lock only allows the actual Suit to split its fire from the other Suits in the unit, not individual weapons. What this means is when the entire unit is about to fire, declare all separate targets for the suits with Target Locks, and then take shots as necessary, each Suit with a Target Lock shooting at different enemy units as declared. Once the fire is split, it's split, no redefining targets after rolls to hit are made.

There is a small group of diehard RAWheads that will tell you that the Target Lock no longer works because the rules specify the unit using Target Locks must take a Target Priority test in order for separate shots to be taken, and Target Priority tests no longer exist, thereby counteracting the wargear. Anybody with common sense can see how they are supposed to work, and will let you do it, requiring no Target Priority test to be taken.

he makes no mention of saying that it's a commander and his bodyguard (big distinction) so i used the standard crisis suit squad listed in his post. agreed, the commander and bodyguard could do that if you wanted to waste a collossal amount of points on purpose.

My bad, I meant to say Crisis HQ squad.

jeez guys, he was asking how the war gear worked......it doesnt matter what the weapons are.....