Nightbringer Etheric Tempest fail

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**halo3uber**

What does unmodified strength 4 mean? The rule says only squads not entirely comprised of units of unmodified strength 4 and up are affected. Would an example be a squad of 5 chaos termies, two of which with power fists, which would modify their ST 4 to St 8? Would make not eligible or not? The rule is hard to understand and my friend are confused.

**EzeKK**

It means the strength characteristic on their character entry. Aka. Guardmen is 3 SM is 4 etc. Unmodified mean unchanged.

**Pika_power**

Unmodified is the thing on the base stat-line. Powerfists modify. But the termies shouldn't be blown in the first place, because they have an unmodified strength of four.

**Eight Ball**

So, to write it as it actually is:

As long as one model in the unit is Unmodified Strength 3 or less, you can use it.

**Spetulhu**

halo3uber wrote:What does unmodified strength 4 mean?

Statline. Regular Orks have Furious Charge but their S4 on the charge is the modified version - the S3 on their profile is what you look at for mr. NB.

**sons of lorgar**

Ok, thanks for clearing this up between Halo3uber and me.

**halo3uber**

So, the termies were eligible, 'cause the whole squad wasn't unmodified S4. Two were S8. Cool.

**nosferatu1001**

NO - the terminators were not eligible as they are all strength 4 base. Powerfists increase your strength but this is a modification.

Does you profile say S3 or less before modifiers? Then you can be affected.

Does you profile say S4 or greater? Then you can't be affected.

Terminators are S4/8 with a powerfist, same as an undivided Chaos Lord with Daemoin Weapon is base strength 4 with modified strength 5.

**sons of lorgar**

So, Halo3uber just told me that terminators can be blown if the squad contains powerfists. I'm pretty sure he can't, because my terminators are strength 4 without the powerfists, so their statline is unmodified strength 4. W/e I just hope more people post.

**nosferatu1001**

AS I said - is the swuad at least unmodified S4? Yes. The fact powerfists double their strength doesnt alter this.

**Spellbound**

if your S is 4 or above naturally, without any special things, you CANNOT be affected.

Space marines
Ork NOBS [as in an entire squad of nobs. But watch out because if that painboy is S3, the squad may be affected!]
Ogryns

if you have some piece of wargear or special rule that MAKES your strength reach 4, you can still be affected because your basic strength is 3. Example would be [though you can't do it legally] a squad of guardsmen where everyone has a powerfist. They're all S6, but that's only because of their powerfists. Their actual strength is 3, so it works. Same with striking scorpions, whose special chainswords make them strike at S4, but they're actually S3 and so will be blown away.

"Does not consist entirely of" means that if a SINGLE model in the unit is NOT S4+ without modifications [warlock attached to a unit of wraithguard, for example] then it works and the unit can be blown away.

**Orkeosaurus**

The painboy has nob stats.

Also, powerfists only allow you to double your strength when attacking with them, so I don't see how they enter into it at all.

**Eight Ball**

Eight Ball wrote:So, to write it as it actually is:

As long as one model in the unit is Unmodified Strength 3 or less, you can use it.

**willydstyle**

Halo & Sons, I think you guys are missing the intent of the power which has been pointed out by several posters: it works against models which have low strength, not against models that have high strength. There's no reason that making a model stronger would make the etheric tempest effect it.

**halo3uber**

K.

**Orkeosaurus**

I think the problem is the thought that models either have a modified or an unmodified strength; every model has an unmodified strength value (except non-walking vehicles and the like, of course). Models that have their strength value modified have both an unmodified and a modified strength value.