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does anyone reckon this would work?

Pedro goes with termies for +1 attack and lysander with the sternguard for bolter drill and as is mostly the case when the sternguard get wiped out he is still a real tough threat to deal with in CC. attack bikes for AT and ML and flamers to deal with some horde.

1 Chapter Master Pedro Kantor @ 175 pts (Dorn's Arrow; Frag Grenades; Iron Halo; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Power Fist)

1 Captain Darnath Lysander @ 200 pts (Fist of Dorn; Storm Shield)

4 Terminator Assault Squad @ 450 pts (Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield x4; Land Raider)
. . 1 Sergeant (Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield x1)
. . 1 Land Raider

8 Sternguard Veteran Squad @ 305 pts (Combi-Plasmagun x4; Drop Pod)
. . 1 Sergeant (Power Fist)
. . 1 Drop Pod (Storm Bolter)

9 Tactical Squad @ 235 pts (Flamer; Missile Launcher; Razorback)
. . 1 Sergeant (Power Fist)
. . 1 Razorback (Twin Linked Heavy Bolter)

9 Tactical Squad @ 235 pts (Flamer; Missile Launcher; Razorback)
. . 1 Sergeant (Power Fist)
. . 1 Razorback (Twin Linked Heavy Bolter)

3 Attack Bike Squad @ 150 pts (Multi-Melta x3)

Total Roster Cost: 1750

That isn't alot for 1750. I would pick either pedro, or lysander.

Lysander doesnt contribute much to the list apart from bolter drill, he's not worth it. But i know what your trying to do here, an more effective build would be Vulkan LR Spam and that White scars HQ (Forgot his name).


If your not trying to conbinde two killere hq ablitiy to make an awesome list im sorry

I mostly agree w/ rednekgunner. imo the two heroes work aweosme together, but are a lot of points for 2 guys. Once the game is 2000+, then using both would be justified. For below 1500, only one for sure. You're in a middle ground where they both work, but your model count is low.

Lord-Loss wrote:...trying to conbine two killer hq ablitiy to make an awesome list

that was the idea. bolter drill, orbital bombardment, inspiring presence, hold the line and they both confer stubborn so i dont have to choose there

vulk and khan is only 25points less then pedro and lysander. and also i dont have the land raiders to spam

i realise it is a low model count. the list I changed to get this had a librarian instead of lysander, 1 less attack bike and a vindicator. which i guess is more rounded.

i will try the list out and see how it goes anyway. i will be fighting an ork player with a warboss in a big nob biker squad 2 battlewagons with lootas and tank bustas and a boys squad (which might be upgraded to bikes as well this time). the idea was that termies and pedro assault bikes with sterguard and lysander assisting the next turn after shooting them. might consider sternguard in a rhino though so that i have more control when i use them.

ok. so i tried it out. it went well. i won. though im over pedro. his lack of survivability is letting him down. his +1atk aura means hes gotta be up in the action to be useful but he dies to instant death or massed shooting if i play stupid (which i guess is true for anything). Lysander with eternal warrior and str10 TH is plentyof fun and what im looking for.

so this is what i changed to. dropped pedro. the PF on the sergeants havent done anything for me so far so i got rid of em to keep 3 bikes, and everyones favourite comp score killer 2 vindis

1 Captain Darnath Lysander @ 200 pts (Fist of Dorn; Storm Shield)

4 Terminator Assault Squad @ 465 pts (Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield x4; Land Raider)
. . 1 Sergeant (Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield x1)
. . 1 Land Raider (Extra Armor)

8 Sternguard Veteran Squad @ 285 pts (Drop Pod)
. . 1 Sergeant (Bolter; Power Fist)
. . 1 Drop Pod (Storm Bolter)

9 Tactical Squad @ 235 pts (Flamer; Missile Launcher; Razorback)
. . 1 Sergeant (Bolter)
. . 1 Razorback (Twin Linked Heavy Bolter)

9 Tactical Squad @ 235 pts (Flamer; Missile Launcher; Razorback)
. . 1 Sergeant (Bolter)
. . 1 Razorback (Twin Linked Heavy Bolter)

3 Attack Bike Squad @ 150 pts (Multi-Melta x3)

1 Vindicator @ 115 pts

1 Vindicator @ 115 pts

Total Roster Cost: 1750

Can't razorbacks only transport 6 models?

dpp17 wrote:Can't razorbacks only transport 6 models?

Combat Squads.

correct. they are set up to be combat squaded, well less so now the sergeants dont have PF. but i will keep em that way for flexibility until i need to do otherwise i guess.

yh razorbacks are only 6 moels due to the space taken up through mounting the gun so your gonna have to change that to rhinos!
but it sounds ok but would be no match to my 1750 chaos you only have 2 squads and then have extravagent units you should try and introduce more marine squads i can fit 4 and still have rom for some exiting units this gives me lots of numbers and some fun units
deanog134679

The Razorbacks are fine for those squads, he either has to combat squad them so that 5 models can ride in them, or he just deploys the squad outside the transport entirely and the Razor becomes a light tank rather than a transport.

The only thing I worry about with the list is the lack of scoring units, but perhaps I'm just paranoid. From what I see you have 4 5 man scoring squads (or 2 10 man squads.) It just seems a little frail to me.

when pedro was in there it was fine cause he made the sternguard scoring but yes now it is kinda a low count.

i could drop a vindi and a bike for a 9 man scout squad with sniper rifles and camo cloaks which would them come to 1749
or
same as above but also drop extra armour off LR and add pedro back in so the sternguard can score again. come to 1745.
or
a new list as so...

1750 Pts - Space Marines Roster

1 Captain Darnath Lysander @ 200 pts (Fist of Dorn; Storm Shield)

4 Terminator Assault Squad @ 450 pts (Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield x4; Land Raider)
. . 1 Sergeant (Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield x1)
. . 1 Land Raider

9 Tactical Squad @ 205 pts (Flamer; Missile Launcher; Rhino)
. . 1 Sergeant (Bolter)
. . 1 Rhino

9 Tactical Squad @ 205 pts (Flamer; Missile Launcher; Rhino)
. . 1 Sergeant (Bolters)
. . 1 Rhino

9 Tactical Squad @ 210 pts (Meltagun; Multi-Melta; Drop Pod)
. . 1 Sergeant (Bolter)
. . 1 Drop Pod (Storm Bolter)

4 Scout Squad @ 100 pts (Camo Cloaks; Sniper Rifle x3; Heavy Bolter w/Hellfire Shells)
. . 1 Sergeant (Camo Cloaks; Sniper Rifle)

3 Attack Bike Squad @ 150 pts (Multi-Melta x3)

1 Vindicator @ 115

1 Vindicator @ 115

Total Roster Cost: 1750

so no sternguard. but 2 more troops choices. the TAC in drop pod tries to pop a something if they survive to use the MM or drop on an objective and tie up the enemy til reinforments can help, much like the sternguard did but scoring

I've always found three scoring units effective enough, especially with pods. but pods has to be plural. a single one is pretty much suicide for them if you scatter far off so i usually suggest at least three. I also stopped using vindicators in anything more than friendly playing, so if you're going tournament, take those points elsewhere. drop the vindicators, scout squad and a rhino for another land raider. you'll have extra points for upgraded weapons for the tactical squads, and toss one of them in the new shiny Land raider. I understand you said you can't LR spam, but patience is a virtue, especially in warfare sir.