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In the daemonhunters list I was wondering a couple things....

is an orbital strike a Kill point when you use it?

is a unit of 3 death cult assasins 3 kill points or 1? (do you get a KP per model, or for the whole dead unit?)


can I take a single unit of sisters of battle in a rhino as an allies supplement to a daemonhunters army with grey knights/storm troopers.

GeneralX wrote:In the daemonhunters list I was wondering a couple things....

is an orbital strike a Kill point when you use it?

is a unit of 3 death cult assasins 3 kill points or 1? (do you get a KP per model, or for the whole dead unit?)


can I take a single unit of sisters of battle in a rhino as an allies supplement to a daemonhunters army with grey knights/storm troopers.

No the Orbital strike cannot be killed so no kill point

The 3 Assasins are only 1 unit, so all 3 must be killed for that 1 KP

Sisters and GKs make great ally well with each other, 2 rinos of sisters are a cheap troop choice in a expensive army like the DH

DJ Illuminati wrote:The 3 Assasins are only 1 unit, so all 3 must be killed for that 1 KP

No. While purchased as a single Force Organization Chart selection, they operate independently during the game. Therefore each will give up a Kill Point.

This is about Orbital Strikes.


Okay we were playing a 5000 per side Cityfight/ OH GOD world is burning Planet Strike / Armageddon game.

There were four players.

Since there were no Unit Restrictions the great knight Player fielded 2 Landraiders w/ Terms / 2 squads of Inquisitorial Stormtroopsers basically like a 1500 poin army ; then took


1000 points of Orbital Strikes.


We couldn't find any restrictions on any of the books that say you cant.


edit:

Oh to state the game went fast was a understatement; with the World is Burning plus orbital strikes the defenders us got wiped off the board on the 2nd turn when the strikes came it.

Well, when you choose to have no unit restrictions, you can't complain later on when someone takes 10+ 0-1 heavy selections.

SJ

You have to admit, the concept of it is AWESOME. Grey knights call in an orbital bombardment on chaos defenses and melt the sand to glass. Plus the idea that the best strategy would be to flee from the area terrain, thats an awesome idea too, like, INCOMING BRETHREN, and then they start running like rats from tunnels that are being smoked. : )


innocence proves nothing!





Just to make 100% sure, I can take a single rhino of sisters (troops choice)?

Actually, it's hard as hell to hit with orbital strikes now. They used to work with 1d6 scatter, now it's 2d6. If I remember correctly, you always scatter, even on a hit result, and double the distance if it's an arrow. They kill everything around the target, but you need to roll very low, and get a hit, (2, 3) to actualy hit a bastion. Fun to take though.

Taking no restrictions on forces sets up that kind of crap.

Yea, we decided to not allow that the game literally lasted 2 turns maybe 20 minutes at the most set up was longer.

It was pretty hilarious though, prelimanary barrage for attacker then a massive amount of orbital strikes.

I have heard of lots of abuse of the Orbital Strikes in apocolypse games, where there's no force organization and 0-1 limits are removed.

Ghaz wrote:

DJ Illuminati wrote:The 3 Assasins are only 1 unit, so all 3 must be killed for that 1 KP

No. While purchased as a single Force Organization Chart selection, they operate independently during the game. Therefore each will give up a Kill Point.

They are not independent characters, and even though they work seperatly, I saw nothing that states that they are seperate units.....but I will look into it again.

IC is not the issue.
They act indepently, as seperate units in the game.

Like Zoanthropes.

Each is a unit, despite a brood of them only taking 1FOC slot.

Aye Death cult Assassins are a single Elite Choice but acting separately means they are separate units.

doesn't this make them rubbish? at least in kill points, and generally they don't seem that good to begin with. But that's good to hear... I think I'll be taking a lance orbital strike from now on, just for the fun of it!

Yes, that's why Death cult assassins have been on the outs this edition.

Also, the problem with orbital strikes is that if you load up on them, you have that fewer units to capture objectives with, and there's a good chance your opponents are going to be moving theirs out of the likely hit range of the terrain you're targeting.

Bookwrack wrote:Yes, that's why Death cult assassins have been on the outs this edition.

Also, the problem with orbital strikes is that if you load up on them, you have that fewer units to capture objectives with, and there's a good chance your opponents are going to be moving theirs out of the likely hit range of the terrain you're targeting.

Naw, I actually think it's safer to be in the bunker they target, than outside. You still get cover even if it's destroyed, and the chance of getting hit is actually greater if you're nearby than directly under where they are aiming.)

Raland wrote:I have heard of lots of abuse of the Orbital Strikes in apocolypse games, where there's no force organization and 0-1 limits are removed.

I have done it. The carnage makes it worth-while and this has been the only time I have every appreciated having the option in the Codex.

mikhaila wrote:Actually, it's hard as hell to hit with orbital strikes now. They used to work with 1d6 scatter, now it's 2d6. If I remember correctly, you always scatter, even on a hit result, and double the distance if it's an arrow. They kill everything around the target, but you need to roll very low, and get a hit, (2, 3) to actualy hit a bastion. Fun to take though.

Taking no restrictions on forces sets up that kind of crap.

Actually, it's still 1d6 for a DH Orbital Strike as codex overrides rulebook. The WH OS got FAQ'd, while the DH OS did not. As such, you roll for scatter + 1d6; if the scatter "hits" its drifts 1d6 inches, and if it scatters it drifts 1d6x2 inches. This nets you 1"-12" drift with an average between 3"-6" drift with every placement.

SJ

So why is it you can have grey knights in a space marine army, but not space marines in a daemon hunter army with grey knights?

GeneralX wrote:So why is it you can have grey knights in a space marine army, but not space marines in a daemon hunter army with grey knights?

Because GW say so.

If you really want SM you can just call it a SM army and have it as a full GK army in every other respect

Honestly I just wanted 1 tac squad in a drop pod, a dread in a drop pod, or a predator, but I realized that's impossible as I can't take space marines in a GK list : /



also one more question, I can't find a way to buy a LR as a dedicated transport... does that mean I can't roll on from reserves in one or deploy in one? And if I'm wrong and I can buy it as a transport for GK, or GKT, does it take up a heavy slot?

jeffersonian000 wrote:

mikhaila wrote:Actually, it's hard as hell to hit with orbital strikes now. They used to work with 1d6 scatter, now it's 2d6. If I remember correctly, you always scatter, even on a hit result, and double the distance if it's an arrow. They kill everything around the target, but you need to roll very low, and get a hit, (2, 3) to actualy hit a bastion. Fun to take though.

Taking no restrictions on forces sets up that kind of crap.

Actually, it's still 1d6 for a DH Orbital Strike as codex overrides rulebook. The WH OS got FAQ'd, while the DH OS did not. As such, you roll for scatter + 1d6; if the scatter "hits" its drifts 1d6 inches, and if it scatters it drifts 1d6x2 inches. This nets you 1"-12" drift with an average between 3"-6" drift with every placement.

SJ

Ah, cool, good to know.

GeneralX wrote:Honestly I just wanted 1 tac squad in a drop pod, a dread in a drop pod, or a predator, but I realized that's impossible as I can't take space marines in a GK list : /



also one more question, I can't find a way to buy a LR as a dedicated transport... does that mean I can't roll on from reserves in one or deploy in one? And if I'm wrong and I can buy it as a transport for GK, or GKT, does it take up a heavy slot?

Non Dedicated Transports can have any unit begin the game with them and and unit come on from reserves in them. However, in your case yes, to get the Transports you need to use up a Slot.