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my regular opponent usually fields
1 squad khorne beserkers with powerfist skull champ in rhino
1 squad possessed with 4 up invul save and khorne lord. he uses this footslogging unit to get his khorne lord across the table intact (and it works)
1 chaos terminator sorceror in either a squad of terminators or thousand suns (note thousand sons or suns? are not the problem only the terminators)
1 single obliterator in cover- i need help on how i can best counter this guy. Any high S low AP fire i point his way he passes the silly 4+ cover and only half my warriors and immortals shooting can put a single wound on it.
1 predator with las turret and heavy bolter side sponsons (not much of a threat i ignore it till i can cc it with wraiths, lord with D body or nightbringer)
and 1 or two units of marines.
there may be more but i cant remember off the top of my head.

my list includes:
lord D body, phase shifter, war scythe (somehow he fails at vehicle hunting though, he took two wounds from a dreadnaught with no weapons and that was immobilized)
2 squads of 5 immortals
2 units of ten warriors
1 unit of three wraiths (they actualy get stuff done for me. popping a vindicator and killing the obliterator)
2 units of three destroyers (mind you they dont get their points back from killing stuff but they distract the rest of his army with shooting them)
and of course a monolith (kills everything except for his possessed with 4 up invul sv.)

these lists are for 1500 point games.

Now i was wondering if there is anything i should add or remove in my list, and if so what. but i would also like advice how how to deploy and how to better use my units. also any tactics or tricky stuff that might make his marines not plow into my guys like a ton of bricks. This list is not in set in steel and I am up for changing almost anything in the list.

also I realise this might look like it belongs in the army list section, but I am really looking for peoples opinions on how necrons can beat chaos marines. critisism welcome

I just ran a game of my chaos against my friend who was using my Necrons and i must say you need a ton more Warriors i run about 30 minimum

Hammer and Anvil him but deep striking the monolith then teleporting Immortals to it then hammering a unit into death with the immortals and the Monolith while bringing up more support in the form of your fast units

As the previous poster said I would drop something and pick up more warriors. Maybe the destroyers, you end up with more shots , rapid fire, and you won't phase out as easily. A hail of gunfire is what punishes khorne for being CC, until they get into CC they are wasted points. The possessed are actually a bad choice from the point of view of most chaos generals. They are expensive, only a good choice if you roll well at the beginning of the game, and spending more points on them with an icon makes them a great target for your shooting. Again, punish him for not having ranged attacks by blasting him while he slogs. Until they get into cc they are doing nothing for a huge amount of points.





PS It's thousand sons.

I used to fight a high wargear, low model count Khorne player.

Scarabs to tie up his assault units, Destroyers to shoot and dance around, a LOT of shooting on their way towards you (and steal the charge if you can, 20 necron warrs at once with good wwb rolls, actually not awful in combat, save initiative they have a SM statline).

Oh and handy stuff, Wraiths. Spare points for 2 of them (81 pnts total), they can go Oblit. hunting, ruin his face in.

white_kid wrote:1 squad khorne beserkers with powerfist skull champ in rhino

Crack the rhino early with destoryers and then just avoid the bezerkers by moving away from them with your warriors. When he gets close, bog him down with some scarabs.
If he spends 2 turns killing scarabs, he is not killing your necrons.

white_kid wrote:1 squad possessed with 4 up invul save and khorne lord. he uses this footslogging unit to get his khorne lord across the table intact (and it works)

Does his lord or possessed have a powerfist? If not, bog them down with scarab swarms.
After he has engaged the scarabs, charge him with a spyder. You can use this to target his IC and kill him.

white_kid wrote:1 chaos terminator sorceror in either a squad of terminators or thousand suns (note thousand sons or suns? are not the problem only the terminators)

Termies die to volume of fire or to high AP weapons. The latter is easier if you can afford it -- like from a monolith.

white_kid wrote:1 single obliterator in cover- i need help on how i can best counter this guy. Any high S low AP fire i point his way he passes the silly 4+ cover and only half my warriors and immortals shooting can put a single wound on it.

If half your army is shooting at his 1 model, he is winning. How much damage can 1 oblit really do to your army? His best bet is to try and use plasma cannons, but even those are only STR 7 which still gives you the WBB roll. If you have a cover save too, that's a 25% of his oblit killing a destoyer per round.

white_kid wrote:1 predator with las turret and heavy bolter side sponsons (not much of a threat i ignore it till i can cc it with wraiths, lord with D body or nightbringer) and 1 or two units of marines.

This is a useless model on his part. His heavy bolters want to shoot your warrors, his las-cannon wants to shoot a monolith. In the end, he does not know what he wants it to do.

white_kid wrote:
1 single obliterator in cover- i need help on how i can best counter this guy. Any high S low AP fire i point his way he passes the silly 4+ cover and only half my warriors and immortals shooting can put a single wound on it.

If half your army is shooting at his 1 model, he is winning. How much damage can 1 oblit really do to your army? His best bet is to try and use plasma cannons, but even those are only STR 7 which still gives you the WBB roll. If you have a cover save too, that's a 25% of his oblit killing a destoyer per round.

actualy his obliterator is why he wins games. combined with the fact that we play with little cover and i cant make a we'll be back roll for my life, his obliterator kills close to 3 times his points worth in most games (but not since i changed my list to include wraiths).

but our last few games have been pretty close. but having that 7th turn is what kills me (he never fails go roll for the seventh)

I'll try taking out my destroyers for more warriors: so changes in the list are as follows.
a new squad of 11 warriors
10 scarab swarms- should i feild two squads of five or leave them like this?

*also for the scarab swarms should i put them right in front of his assault units? (so they have to change me or lose alot of movement) or should i charge?

Thanks for the advice so far.

white_kid wrote:white_kid wrote:
1) i cant make a we'll be back roll for my life,
having that 7th turn is what kills me (he never fails go roll for the seventh

2) his obliterator kills close to 3 times his points worth

3) should i charge?

1) Don't plan your tactics based upon bad luck.

2) The game is not about getting points back, its about VPs or objectives.

3) Yes. Keep his main assault force away from you.

white_kid wrote:white_kid wrote:

actualy his obliterator is why he wins games. combined with the fact that we play with little cover and i cant make a we'll be back roll for my life, his obliterator kills close to 3 times his points worth in most games (but not since i changed my list to include wraiths).

okay first of all we play with decent cover, in addition the majority of games where I win are thanks to my khorne lord getting 13 attacks on the charge or my chaos sorcerer deepstriking and slowly eating crap up with his squad. In no way has my obliterator factored that much. Although it comical seeing how much unnecessary effort and firepower you put towards killing it.

If one obliterator is turning the tide of the game I think you are doing something very wrong or he is doing something fishy.

What weapon does he use with his oblit? Plasma cannon ,lascannon, multi-melta, or something else? None of those weapons should be hurting you too badly unless you are not spreading out properly allowing the PC to get 4+ necrons in a blast marker or something. If his oblit is really annoying to you, take your wraiths (do you need to take them all in one squad? I can't remember. If not try splitting one off just to take out the oblit), it should have no trouble dealing with him and his phasing should get him there quickly regardless of where he is hiding.

The point I and some others are trying to make is that if you are firing your high strength low ap weapons at his oblit you are wasting your shots. You should be focusing all shots on his CC units/rhino to make him waste his points and decimate his army. The oblit should be the last thing you shoot at(as I said before, close combat with a wraith is the best way I can see to take him out without getting your lord over there or taking a shot at him with your monolith).

Note on the swarms: His blast marker oblit is going to tear those swarms apart, if the oblit was annoying before, giving him a target he does even better against is a bad idea. The warriors are good though, just avoid the swarms.

in some of our earlier games the obliterator chewed through me, but lately combined with his bad rolls and my wraiths his obliterator hasn't been seeing much action. I still have some trouble with the khorne lord sometimes.

in our most recent game the player of the game is his terminator sorceror and terminator squad they chewed through my whole flank (still a very close game which by a bad morale test I lost by)

his other cc units in this 2000 point match never got into combat (thanks to the nightbringer)

all in all a more balanced game

things i would change: take out the scarabs (got beat in combat by thousand sons..shame..)