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Enemy has lined up his models on the table edge.

Other player decides to tank shock to break the lines.

The first step of tank shocking is to......move the model on the spot and point it in the direction you want the tank to move.

Since you can't move a model that is off the table, you can't tank shock. Even if you intend to move straight, if you cannot accomplish any step in a sequence of steps, then the process cannot occur.

Therefore, you cannot tank shock if the model is off the table.

Ok rip it up!

Yes, you can, because the rules for arriving from reserve tell you to place the model as if it were off the board in contact with the board edge. Once you do that, you can move it however you want.

Gwar! wrote:Yes, you can, because the rules for arriving from reserve tell you to place the model as if it were off the board in contact with the board edge. Once you do that, you can move it however you want.

That is irrelevant to the process. Can you turn a model off the table? No ( even if you intend to move straight, if you don't have the ability to perform the first action, the following actions cannot occur).

General Hobbs wrote:

Gwar! wrote:Yes, you can, because the rules for arriving from reserve tell you to place the model as if it were off the board in contact with the board edge. Once you do that, you can move it however you want.

That is irrelevant to the process. Can you turn a model off the table? No ( even if you intend to move straight, if you don't have the ability to perform the first action, the following actions cannot occur).

In that case models can never move onto the board from reserve, as you can never move a model off the table either. If you are permitted to move the Vehicle onto the table, you are permitted to choose what angle it its coming in.

It's not irrelevant because the rules give you permission to move the vehicle that is off the table, and tell you to do it exactly as if the vehicle was moved to the table edge the turn before.

The quasi-rule that you are quoting "you cannot turn a model off the table" is not written anywhere.

Granted, "the rules don't say I can't do it" is not a valid argument, but the fact that the rules tell you how the on-coming vehicle will interact with the table, combined with no specific restriction from doing it written in the rules, means that at the moment the vehicle is coming onto the table, it may rotate and move X inches in one direction, exactly as if it had ended its move at the table edge the turn before.

QED.

What if you play on a table that the edge of the gaming board is the edge of the table?

Can you not tank shock then? Since your model would be 3 ft below the battlefield on the floor.

Modquisition on: Politeness will be required in this thread.

I'vve also been informed there was an earlier large thread on the topic. You might review that as well.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/248772.page

If your Tank were on the table, and already pointed in the exact direction you wanted to Tank Shock, you would not need to pivot it. Would that prevent it from Tank Shocking? I can’t imagine anyone trying to make that argument.

Given that a tank off the table has no pre-defined orientation (it just counts as being in contact with the table edge), I see no reason it would need to pivot either.