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Now I know that Assault termie+LR spam isnt realy for me. Ive been thinking of making a space marine Bike army. Well atleast Bike troops.

I want bike troops for I will build around them. This is what i got.



8x Bike squad, 2x meltagun, power weapon
[250]

8x Bike squad, 2x meltagun, power weapon
[250]

Well il start at 1k points and add more on. At 1.5k il add another bike squad.

Should everything be on bikes? Predators? Dreadnoughts? I want to keep it shooty but able to assault.
Long range fire power is a must.

So i was thinking maybe having a few long range dreads (Not the Rifleman Dread, i cant stand it)
Maybe LC, ML and a few Sternguard squads?

It looks like you have a good start. I would suggest that you add MM attack bikes to your squads, and here is how I built my list to go here it is.
1750 Pts - Space Marines Roster

HQ: Kor'sarro Khan

HQ: 1 Space Marine Chaplain (...in Power Armour)
1 ...in Power Armour (Bolt Pistol; Crozius Arcanum; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Rosarius; Digital Weapons; Space Marine Bike)

Troops: 7 Space Marine Bike Squad (Bolt Pistol x5; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Meltagun x2; Attack Bike)
1 Space Marine Bike
1 Attack Bike (Bolt Pistol x1; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Multi-Melta)
1 Space Marine Bike
1 Sergeant (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Power Weapon)
1 Space Marine Bike

Troops: 7 Space Marine Bike Squad (Bolt Pistol x5; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Meltagun x2; Attack Bike)
1 Space Marine Bike
1 Attack Bike (Bolt Pistol x1; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Multi-Melta)
1 Space Marine Bike
1 Sergeant (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Power Weapon)
1 Space Marine Bike

Fast Attack: 2 Scout Bike Squad (Bolt Pistol; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Scout Armour; Shotgun; Space Marine Bike)
1 Space Marine Bike
1 Sergeant (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Scout Armour; Shotgun; Melta Bombs; Combi-Meltagun)
1 Space Marine Bike

Fast Attack: 2 Scout Bike Squad (Bolt Pistol; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Scout Armour; Shotgun; Space Marine Bike)
1 Space Marine Bike
1 Sergeant (Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Scout Armour; Shotgun; Melta Bombs; Combi-Meltagun)
1 Space Marine Bike

Troops: 9 Tactical Squad (Bolt Pistol x9; Bolter x7; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Meltagun; Missile Launcher; Rhino)
1 Sergeant (Bolt Pistol; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Weapon)
1 Rhino (Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Storm Bolter)

Troops: 9 Tactical Squad (Bolt Pistol x9; Bolter x7; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Meltagun; Missile Launcher; Rhino)
1 Sergeant (Bolt Pistol; Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Weapon)
1 Rhino (Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Storm Bolter)

Heavy Support: 1 Predator (Autocannon; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Heavy Bolter)

Heavy Support: 1 Predator (Autocannon; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Heavy Bolter)


Total Roster Cost: 1740

@rednekgunner:
Is Khan on a bike?
No Asstermies in LR/R/C?
No Blinged out COmmand Squad on Bikes?

What's the point of Khan?
Chappy: meh.
Bikers look ok: but why power weapons?

Why no flamers?
Preds look ok, sort of meh about them.
Tacticals look ok, but no flamer, you have biker meltas already...

I don't think the scout bikers offer the list that much.

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I highly suggest NOT to get power weapons on bikes.

You do NOT get the +1Attack bonus for having the power weapon....

So:

2 Attacks, Str 4, I4
vs.
2 Attacks, Str 8, I1

I don't know about you, but I'd go with a fist, if you think it's too exepnsive, then I'd suggest going with a combi-weapon of some kind instead.

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@Lord-Loss:
I'm happy you are interested in a biker list. It is a wonderful/fun list to master and win with.

*Your first decision should be: HQ
Khan or Captain.
*Second will be how many biker squads (full squads or less than full squads).
*Third- special weapon distributions.
*Lastly: supporting elements.

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For more information, I suggest taking a look here, and try out the link on the second page that goes to my biker tactica over at 40KO.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/252374.page
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As for my list:

Captain, bike, relic, shield.
8 Bikers, 2 meltas, fist, Hvy Bolter AB.
8 Bikers, 2 meltas, fist, Hvy Bolter AB.
8 Bikers, 2 flamers, fist, Hvy Bolter AB.
3 MM AB
3 MM AB
3 Hvy Bolter AB
1490/1500.

As an aside, seriously, was my list so hard to type out? Why copy and paste the army builder with so much redundant information?

My 7 Cents.

Sorry about the confusion, Khan is on a bike. I usually only put a command squad in 2000. As for the Assault Terminators &LR, I run LR in my Salamander list. I figured that PW were better, cause they strike at initiative. The preds are there to take care of what a flamer would do. As for the scout bikers, I have always found that I can usually trade them for an opponents high value target. (infiltrate, scout move, move, melta shot, melta bombs assault if nessicary)
I copied it cause I was in a hurry at the time, I'll fix it next time.

re: power weapons:
/shrug. I don't find it economical if you pay for the same upgrade, yet only get HALF of the reasons you purchased it in the first place.

A flamer can rape, the Preds can't. Mainly due to the ease of gaining cover saves AND missing.
Flamers automatically hit and ignore the pesky cover saves, coupled with the high movement of the bikers, one of the two matches made in heaven in a biker list.

Scout bikes are so gimmicky though. /shrug.

My 7 Cents.

So i read that thread (Thanks Sanchjud) It realy helped and im thinking about this list for 1.5k (Which it seems Bikes excel at):

HQ

Captain, relic blade, Bike
[165]

Command squad, 3x power weapon, 4x storm shields
[310]

Troops

8x Bikes, 2x meltagun, power fist
[260]

8x Bikes, 2x meltagun, power fist
[260]

8x Bikes, 2x meltagun, power fist
[260]

Fast Attack

3x Attack Bike, Heavy bolters
3x Attack Bike, Heavy bolters

The CS have SS so they can shrug off alot of AP3-2 weapons. Il basically send everything down the weakest flank, meltas deal with tanks and TL-Bolters take down troops. The CS gives Cover saves and deals with termies etc.
What you think?

I suggest single lightning claws instead of power weapons on stormshield command squads.
You don't get +1 A with storm sheilds, so maximize by gettting claws to get re-rolls.

I suggest the attack bike, ALWAYS the attack bike on the Biker troops. Best points you'll EVER spend in the SM codex IMO. Lots of melta guns, but no flamers.

I always include at least a pair of flamers, just to be flexible. Bolters are not enough for anti-horde most of the time.

Attack bikes are ok, I prefer MM attack bikes, crazy scary for many.

My 7 Cents.

Lord-Loss wrote:Captain, relic blade, Bike [165]
Command squad, 3x power weapon, 4x storm shields [310]
8x Bikes, 2x meltagun, power fist [260]
8x Bikes, 2x meltagun, power fist [260]
8x Bikes, 2x meltagun, power fist[260]
3x Attack Bike, Heavy bolters
3x Attack Bike, Heavy bolters

Put 3 attack bikes in your squads. This lets you combat squad your bikes, and helps to protect the attack bike.

At 1500 points, sinking nearly 1/3 of your army into 6 models (captain and commands), is a heavy investment. Play with it, and then try swapping in just more bikes.

When running 3 squads, I would give one of them plasma. When running 4 squads, I give 2 of them plasma. I've encountered enough situations to find it worthwhile.

MM attack bikes are great. That extra 12" range over the melta gun can really make all the difference in the world. HB attack bikes are nice because they TL bolters on the bike are not wasted by shooting into armor. (Remember, attack bikes can fire both weapons a turn)

Bikes are a fast, shooty army. Up close, a squad of bikes has 14 TL bolter shots, 2 special weapons, and 1 heavy weapon. The ability to project that firepower where you want it when you want it is the strength of the army.

Updated list:

Captain, relic blade, Bike[165]
Command squad, 3x Lightning claw, 4x storm shields[310]
8x Bikes, 2x meltagun, power fist, Attack bike[300]
8x Bikes, 2x meltagun, power fist, Attack bike[300]
8x Bikes, 2x meltagun, power fist, Attack bike[300]
3xAttack Bike, Heavy bolter[120]

I was thinking about plasma guns but meltaguns seem to superior and ive only got six meltas I dont realy want to drop two.

What about making my Command squad all plasmagun? On bikes with storm shields and plasma guns is 325pts.

I do not suggest the plasma gun/ss combo.
You want bikers for combat because they are pretty much geared towards it, and no where else in a biker list will you get that much 'kill' in combat.

Leave the shooy command squads to the non-biker lists.

My 7 Cents.

Here:

1750pts
HQ:
Captain
w/ Bike, Relic Blade, Artificer Armor, Hellfire Rounds
[190]

Command Squad
- Company Champion
- Lightning Claw
- Lightning Claw, Storm Shield
- Thunder Hammer, Storm Shield
- Apothecary
[310]

Troops:
(8) Bikers, (1) Attack Bike
w/ 2x Plasma guns, Power Fist, Multimelta
[320]

(8) Bikers, (1) Attack Bike
w/ 2x Meltaguns, Power Fist, Multimelta
[310]

(8) Bikers, (1) Attack Bike
w/ 2x Meltaguns, Power Fist, Multimelta
[310]

(8) Bikers, (1) Attack Bike
w/ 2x Meltaguns, Power Fist, Multimelta
[310]

The alternative is to drop the Command Squad for a trio of 2-man Attack Bikes squadrons with Multimeltas.

1500pts
HQ:
Captain
w/ Bike, Relic Blade
[165]

Command Squad
- Company Champion
- Lightning Claw
- Lightning Claw, Storm Shield
- Power Fist, Storm Shield
- Apothecary
[305]

(8) Bikers, (1) Attack Bike
w/ 2x Meltaguns, Power Fist, Multimelta
[310]

(8) Bikers, (1) Attack Bike
w/ 2x Meltaguns, Power Fist, Multimelta
[310]

(8) Bikers, (1) Attack Bike
w/ 2x Meltaguns, Power Fist, Multimelta
[310]

Fast Attack:
(2) Attack Bikes
w/ Multimeltas
[100]

That is what I give all folks who want SM Bikers. I played them to some success and those lists are pretty solid.

Im thinking this for 1000pts:

Captain, relic blade, Bike[165]
8x Bikes, 2x meltagun, power fist[260]
8x Bikes, 2x meltagun, power fist[260]
8x Bikes, 2x meltagun[235]
2xAttack Bike, Heavy bolter[80]

Same kind of strategy as other list, focuse on a flank, bust, transports, close combat stuff that sucks in Close combat, rapid fire everything else to death.

No attack bikes in a 8 man biker squad?
You deserved to be thrown into the armpits of the next Great Unclean One to pass by.

My 7 Cents.

Sanchjud@ I didnt have enough points or i would, i could put the 2 attack bikes into the bike squads?

Sanctjud wrote:No attack bikes in a 8 man biker squad?
You deserved to be thrown into the armpits of the next Great Unclean One to pass by.

If you made them 7 man bike squads Sanctjud would forgive you.

Nurgle just wants to be your friend. He is throwing a party, and your invited.
It's not his fault people keep shooting at him. Now he has to defend himself. Nurgle just wanted to crack open a keg and hang out.

Well, I think you are a bit over board in trooper bikers at 1000.

2 Full Squads should do wonders.

Captain, bike, relic.
8 Bikers, 2 meltas, fist, HBAB.
8 Bikers, 2 flamers, HBAB.
3 MM Attack Bikes.
3 HB Attack Bikes.

Captain goes with flamer and focuses on infantry.
Melta bikers support the flamer squad.
Attack bikes offer cover fire in the AT and AI fields.

Something like that.

My 7 Cents.

Well this is basically a smaller version of the other list, i want to make this 1k-1.5k-1750-2kpts

I dont mind adding more stuff though. So if i do the list above then i would need to buy three more attack bikes and make them multi-melta. I cant have flamer in bikes unless i change one squad from the 1.5k to flamer whcih would work.



Automatically Appended Next Post:
Updated 1k List:

Captain, Relic blade, Bike[165]
3x Bike squad, Power fist[115]
8x Bike squad, 2x flamer, Attack Bike[265]
8x Bike squad, 2x meltagun, Attack Bike[275]
3x Attack Bike, multi-melta[150]
Total: 1010.

1.5k:

Captain, relic blade, Bike[165]
Command squad, 2x Lightning claw, 4x storm shields[295]
8x Bikes, 2x flamer, power fist, Attack bike[290]
8x Bikes, 2x meltagun, power fist, Attack bike[300]
8x Bikes, 2x meltagun, power fist, Attack bike[300]
3x Attack Bike, Multi-melta[150]
Total: 1500.

Anyone?

Other than the points being over board by 'alot' IMO.
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1000 points:
What's the point of the 3 man bike squad with fist.... I think that's a horrid waste of points, not even a troop unit which makes everyone sad.
ALWAYS get the 2 special weapons.

8 Bikers look ok.
MMAB look ok.

1500 points:

8x Bikes, 2x flamer, power fist, Attack bike[290]
8x Bikes, 2x meltagun, power fist, Attack bike[300]
8x Bikes, 2x meltagun, power fist, Attack bike[300]
3xAttack Bike, Multi-melta[150]

Same stuff I use at 1500.
Captain is ok.
Command Squad: Sheesh, drop a single claw and be happy you are at 1500...that hard?

My 7 Cents.

The three man Bike squad with a fist go with the captain, i couldnt think of anything else to put in.
I could add some speeders as this is basically multiple Ravenwing Battleforces.

Updated: Taken out a Lightning claw.

Ok at 1850pts im thinking of this:

Captain, relic blade, Bike[165]
Command squad, 2x Lightning claw, 4x storm shields[295]
8x Bikes, 2x flamer, power fist, Attack bike[290]
8x Bikes, 2x meltagun, power fist, Attack bike[300]
8x Bikes, 2x meltagun, power fist, Attack bike[300]
3x Attack Bike, Multi-melta[150]
3x Landspeeders, multi-melta, Heavy flamer[210]
2x Landspeeders, multi-melta, Heavy flamer[140]
Total: 1850.

At 2000pts il ditch the speeders and do this:

Captain, relic blade, Bike[165]
Command squad, 2x Lightning claw, 4x storm shields[295]
Captain, relic blade, Bike[165]
Command squad, 2x Lightning claw, 4x storm shields, power fist[320]
8x Bikes, 2x flamer, power fist, Attack bike[290]
8x Bikes, 2x meltagun, power fist, Attack bike[300]
8x Bikes, 2x meltagun, power fist, Attack bike[300]
3x Attack Bike, Multi-melta[150]
Total: 2000.

I don't have much to say of either they both look ok.

1850:
Why the hvy bolter/MM combo?

2000:
Why 4 LC's? I think 2 is perfect for counter attacking.
If you get anything maybe a fist would be better to make the command squads a bit more flexible in combat.

Or get some special weapons on them because from 1850 to 2000 you gained some combat muscle but dropped in special weapons (which is the medium of your primary damage dealing).

My 7 Cents.

Added the suggestions above, its meant to be HF/MM. Added a fist to second command squad.

What about my thousand point list:

Captain, Relic Blade, Bike[165]
8x Bike squad, 2x meltagun, PF, Attack Bike[300]
8x Bike squad, 2x meltagun, PF. Attack Bike[300]
3x Attack Bike
3x Attack Bike
Total: 1005

Thats four meltaguns, eight heavy bolters.