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I never really did fully understand Warptime, which is why I don't use it very often...

My questions are these:

Does Warptime only affect the Chaos Sorcerer's rolls?

Can it be used defensively (I.e. not just on the attack?)

Does it stay in effect one whole round, or just the using player's turn?

Thanks in advance.

Honestly all of these things are clearly answered by reading the ability. Are you asking because you don't have a chaos codex?

To answer your questions,
Yes, the model casting is the only one affected.
Yes, it is for any attacks.
It lasts for the entire round.
I hope this helps.

It lasts an entire player turn.
It must be cast twice per round.

It cannot be used defensively. It allows you to re-roll your attack and wound rolls, not saves or their attack and wound rolls.

Shelegelah wrote:Does Warptime only affect the Chaos Sorcerer's rolls?

Yes, only the users rolls

Shelegelah wrote:Can it be used defensively (I.e. not just on the attack?)

It sure can. It can even be used on your opponents turn.

Shelegelah wrote:Does it stay in effect one whole round, or just the using player's turn?

Just the current turn. When the next turn comes around you have to test for it again.

The most confusing part I have found is figuring out whether people re-roll ALL the dice in each roll, like the rule says; or whether they pick and choose the dice, like the other, similar powers say.

shrug


Edited because I forgot a letter.

Thanks, you've answered my questions perfectly.

And yes, I have a copy of the codex, but I hope you'll forgive me for wanting to make sure about this. Games Workshop has a history of ambiguity, and I wanted to make absolutely sure that I wasn't shafting either myself or my opponent.

kirsanth wrote:The most confusing part I have found is figuring out whether people re-roll ALL the dice in each roll, like the rule says; or whether they pick and choose the dice, like the other, similar powers say.

shrug


Edited because I forgot a letter.

The fact that the player can choose to only re-roll part of the eligible die rolls is just as obvious in the context of the rule as is the fact that that the controlling player doesn't get to say 'Okay, the combat phase is over and I don't like how it turned out, so I'm invoking my psyker's ability to re-roll all to hit and to wound rolls for the phase. So put all of the dead models back on the board and let's try it again...'

Shrug, indeed.

Only that is not what the rule says.

Check Preferred Enemy (or almost any ability that grants rerolls) and compare to Warp Time (that specifies ALL).

"If successful, the psyker may re-roll all rolls to hit and rolls to wound for the entirety of that player's turn." Codex: CSM p. 88 (emphasis added)

The word "may" here is key. It connotes choice. You are allowed to re-roll, not forced to re-roll (e.g. in successful invul. saves against Perils attacks). Every time the model casting warptime rolls a hit or wound die that player turn, he may choose to reroll it. Since this is a rule that allows a re-roll of the dice, this situation is governed by the re-roll rules on p.2

"In some situations the rules allow you a 're-roll' of the dice. This is exactly as it sounds - pick up the dice you wish to re-roll and roll them again" BGB p. 2 (emphasis added)

You never have to re-roll a successful test if you don't want to when you are "allowed" a re-roll.

-GK

GiantKiller wrote:"If successful, the psyker may re-roll all rolls to hit and rolls to wound for the entirety of that player's turn."

Emphasis works both ways - just sayin'.

If they didn't mean for the psyker to reroll all of them, why did they use it? Why not use the word any, or better yet, his?

EDIT: 'May' in this case does denote choice - the choice to reroll all rolls or none. e.g. You roll your CC attacks - 3 dice for the sake of argument - warptime allows you to reroll all of those three dice, not any or some of those three dice. This is a specific rule in C:SM overriding the general rule about re-rolls in the BGB. Some people also take it to mean that, should you choose to reroll your wound dice, you must also reroll your hit dice as well ("rolls to hit and rolls to wound"). This has been discussed before too.

I'm kinda confused about that myself. GW probably means you can choose but then I really don't know. I don't use it just to be safe but if it was that I could choose what to re-roll I would really want to take it. 'Cos thats awesome.

Re-rolling ALL the hit and wounds rolls would have no purpose and certainly not be worth the point cost. It doesn't change the odds one bit.

RAW it can be taken either way because the rules don't specify if when you roll to hit or to wound the "roll" is a set of dice or each die individually. As much as I hate to help CSM/CD (Eldar) I have to say that the passed can be saved and fails rerolled.

If GW wanted you to actually reroll every single die with Warptime they would have made that more clear, as that is unlike any other reroll in the game.

"In some situations the rules allow you a 're-roll' of the dice. This is exactly as it sounds--pick up the dice you *wish to re-roll* and roll them again." (BGB 2 emphasis added)

Sure.
Do you wish to re-roll all the to-hit?
Then you may pick them up.
Do you wish to re-roll the to wound rolls?
Then you may pick them up.

If you miss every one, you WILL want that re-roll.
If only one missed, you probably will not.

That is what it says. Thus my confusion.

As someone pointed out last time this came up - Chaos is fickle.

If they had meant it to be failed rolls, or any rolls, there are plenty of examples of this - Lictors even specify successful rolls can be rolled again, whereas Prefered Enemy only allows misses.

I doubt many would notice, let alone hold you to it, but that IS the way the rule reads.

I think Kirsanth, thats an extreme view. Much like twisting the wording to mean something other than what it says at first glance. Now if it was written "May reroll ALL rolls" then yes I agree with you, since the book as written doesn't seem to place an emphasis on it. You have the choice to reroll all applicable dice rolls. Not must choose to reroll everything or nothing.

I've seen this discussion a few times. Take a poll, that'll settle it.

I think Kirsanth's take isn't extreme at all. Absent the text Flavius quotes from the core rulebook, I'd agree with Kirsanth.

Comparing the text for Warptime to the text for Preferred Enemy, Preferred Enemy states that the models can re-roll their rolls while Warptime specifies all rolls without qualifier.
Therefore, the use of Warptime gives the ability to re-roll the opponents rolls, since there is no qualifier.

Or you can be reasonable and conclude that it's supposed to mean 'The psyker is given a re-roll for all of its to hit and to wound rolls'.

Either way seems like it would be worth the points to me.

solkan wrote:Comparing the text for Warptime to the text for Preferred Enemy, Preferred Enemy states that the models can re-roll their rolls while Warptime specifies all rolls without qualifier.
Therefore, the use of Warptime gives the ability to re-roll the opponents rolls, since there is no qualifier.

Or you can be reasonable and conclude that it's supposed to mean 'The psyker is given a re-roll for all of its to hit and to wound rolls'.

Either way seems like it would be worth the points to me.

I was going to just ignore it, but the absurdity of this drew me.
Sorry, but that "logic" just fails.
You cannot RE-ROLL something you never rolled.
Thus, the venerable dread "may ask your opponent to re-roll" clause.

1. It can be read both ways.

2. Page 2 of the rulebook, as well as every other reroll rule, says otherwise.

3. Everyone plays it like every other reroll, so dont bother arguing.

4. This has nothing to do with topic (yet I knew someone would be annoying enough to bring it up even though theyve been involved in an 8 page dispute on the topic already).

kirsanth wrote:

solkan wrote:Comparing the text for Warptime to the text for Preferred Enemy, Preferred Enemy states that the models can re-roll their rolls while Warptime specifies all rolls without qualifier.
Therefore, the use of Warptime gives the ability to re-roll the opponents rolls, since there is no qualifier.

Or you can be reasonable and conclude that it's supposed to mean 'The psyker is given a re-roll for all of its to hit and to wound rolls'.

Either way seems like it would be worth the points to me.

I was going to just ignore it, but the absurdity of this drew me.
Sorry, but that "logic" just fails.
You cannot RE-ROLL something you never rolled.
Thus, the venerable dread "may ask your opponent to re-roll" clause.

I dispute your point on the basis of common usage. Player A rolls a die. Player B picks up that die and rolls it again, or in other words Player B re-rolls the die.
I further dispute your point and counter that the venerable dread language "may ask your opponent to re-roll" is merely an example of the increasingly uncommon English polite command in order to avoid the oddity of a player rolling on the damage table against their own unit for the other player's shot.

I must ask that you find a better counter to what you claim to be an absurdity.

solkan wrote:Comparing the text for Warptime to the text for Preferred Enemy, Preferred Enemy states that the models can re-roll their rolls while Warptime specifies all rolls without qualifier.

The qualifier in this case is the word Psyker. His power clearly only affects dice rolled on behalf of him.