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I was wondering in 5th how do alpha strike style armies perform..

Also whats a good one?

Eldar maxed out warwalkers

maxed out oblits?

Drop pods?

Tau use it with some degree of success, as do eldar. Marines take advantage of drop pod assault with some degree of success, though that is usually limited to 1-3 drop pods. In my formula the more surviveable an army is, the less it is geared toward alpha strike, so Tau and Eldar do it well, but marines, necrons, etc. do not.

Imperial Guard air cav alpha strikes very well when going first. 9 Vendettas and 90 Guardsmen 12" from your front line before turn one starts is pretty brutal considering how many Flamers, Heavy Flamers, Demolition Charges, Meltaguns, and Melta bombs they can pack. They can also take Grey Knight Terminator allies for additional first turn charging love.

Tau are pretty much the alpha strike they rally need that first turn.

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kadun wrote:Imperial Guard air cav alpha strikes very well when going first. 9 Vendettas and 90 Guardsmen 12" from your front line before turn one starts is pretty brutal considering how many Flamers, Heavy Flamers, Demolition Charges, Meltaguns, and Melta bombs they can pack. They can also take Grey Knight Terminator allies for additional first turn charging love.

How many thousand points are you playing? 9 Vendettas alone are worth 1170 points iirc. Not to mention the costs of the veterans within. In a 3000 point apocalypse game though, go nuts

-Tyr

9 bombards, then as many vet squads with 2 meltas , heavy flamer and demolitions in valks with rocket pods as you can fit in. So many pie plates so much death

Tyr wrote:

kadun wrote:Imperial Guard air cav alpha strikes very well when going first. 9 Vendettas and 90 Guardsmen 12" from your front line before turn one starts is pretty brutal considering how many Flamers, Heavy Flamers, Demolition Charges, Meltaguns, and Melta bombs they can pack. They can also take Grey Knight Terminator allies for additional first turn charging love.

How many thousand points are you playing? 9 Vendettas alone are worth 1170 points iirc. Not to mention the costs of the veterans within. In a 3000 point apocalypse game though, go nuts

-Tyr

Oooh, sounds like a challenge:

HQ - 80
Company Command Squad w/ 4 x Meltagun

Troops - 115
Veterans w/ 3 x Flamers, Demolitions Doctrine

Troops - 115
Veterans w/ 3 x Flamers, Demolitions Doctrine

Troops - 115
Veterans w/ 3 x Flamers, Demolitions Doctrine

Troops - 115
Veterans w/ 3 x Flamers, Demolitions Doctrine

Troops - 115
Veterans w/ 3 x Flamers, Demolitions Doctrine

Troops - 115
Veterans w/ 3 x Flamers, Demolitions Doctrine

Fast Attack - 390
Vendetta x 3

Fast Attack - 390
Vendetta x 3

Fast Attack - 390
Vendetta x 3

Total - 1940

4 Meltaguns
6 Demolition Charges
60 Meltabombs
18 Flamers
27 Twin-Linked Lascannons

Ok, its not 90 guys, its only 65 :(

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Friend of mine has been experimenting with a mini IG alpha strike. Three Vendettas with three Special weapon squads with three demo charges each. Its 675 points that acts as a spoiler attack that really breaks up a battle line.

We have tried a few different variations for the rest of the army; hydras, manticores, various artillery. Lot of different choices that can make a solid force in its own right.

Its had highly variable results. Setting up the opposing army with a normal deployment almost always is a bad idea, but some armies can adapt fairly well. One memorable try vs orcs was almost a first turn wipeout because of a few wild scatter rolls on the demo charges, overall around a hundred boys died.

Starting in reserve works for some armies, but of course not every army list can be played well out of reserve.


Sliggoth

How exactly are vendettas good for alpha strike , if there moving they don't get to use there lascannons? and the vet squads jumping out the back with meltas do a better job at ganking than lascannons.

You use your scout move to put the vendettas right on top of the enemy battle-line. When the game starts your squads disembark and your now unmoving skimmers fire everything they've got, while your infantry mop up the remains, finish off any still moving tank threats, and assault as necessary.

Scout move the vedetta to 12" from the opponents units, then move 6" the first turn if the placement is good, or move 12" if need be. The vendetta then gets either one or three lascannon shots, but the special weapons units can deploy 2" from the vendetta and then throw the charges another 6". So if the target units are lined up, a 6" move by the vendetta may be enough but a fast move of up to 12" may be needed at times to get a really juicy target for the three charges.

Taking three of these strike units its often that at least one of them will have to move more than 6" during the first turn. But coupled with supporting fire from the rest of the IG gunline this suicide run can really gut an army that has deployed forward in hopes of closing to cc range quickly.

It certainly doesnt work against eveything, but just the threat can cause deployment problems.


Sliggoth

glowgos wrote:How exactly are vendettas good for alpha strike , if there moving they don't get to use there lascannons? and the vet squads jumping out the back with meltas do a better job at ganking than lascannons.

A Vendetta (like the Valkyrie) is a Fast vehicle. It may move 6" and fire every weapon or move 12" and fire one main weapon and all defensive weapons.

The melta weapons are for Armor 13-14 targets, Lascannons are for Armor < 12 targets like transports.