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Quick question that came up over the weekend: can Kroot ride in devil fish? I know they can not buy them as a dedicated transport, but is there some other rule in the codex that prohibits them from riding in a borrowed 'fish?

Yes, they may now ride in the fish. They used to not be able to, as it was prohibited by the Rulebook, and thus no mention was made in the codex. Now they can because 5th edition removed that restriction. They still however cannot begin the game embarked on it.

Any unit can ride in another unit's dedicated transport (exceptions being old-school codeces like DH Inquisitor's LR/Chimera/Rhino), they just can't start the game in it.

Ok cool. I didn't know if they had some sort of rules like Repentia or assassins that specify that they can never get into transports.

Thanks!

Wehrkind wrote:Ok cool. I didn't know if they had some sort of rules like Repentia or assassins that specify that they can never get into transports.

Thanks!

Well, couldn't you have just looked in the codex?

Kirbinator wrote:Any unit can ride in another unit's dedicated transport (exceptions being old-school codeces like DH Inquisitor's LR/Chimera/Rhino), they just can't start the game in it.

funny, my WH/DH codexs' doesnt say anything about the Inquisitors LR being unuseable by other units......

In the crazy event that you want to have a Krootox in your unit, you should probably address the sitauation of Krootox in the fish before the game. The rules do not make any special mention (the Kroot couldn't embark in fourth edition) of Krootox, so it appears that by RAW they would take up one transport slot. However, a lot of people think they should be 'bulky' like Ogryns and termies and MANz, and they should take up 2 seats.

DJ Illuminati wrote:

Kirbinator wrote:Any unit can ride in another unit's dedicated transport (exceptions being old-school codeces like DH Inquisitor's LR/Chimera/Rhino), they just can't start the game in it.

funny, my WH/DH codexs' doesnt say anything about the Inquisitors LR being unuseable by other units......

WH pg 33, DH pg 30.

The box labeled "Transports".

DJ Illuminati wrote:funny, my WH/DH codexs' doesnt say anything about the Inquisitors LR being unuseable by other units......

Page 30, Codex: Daemonhunters:
Transports are always taken as an upgrade for another unit and may only transport the unit it was bought for.

Page 33, Codex: Witch Hunters:
Transports are always taken as an upgrade for another unit and may only transport the unit it was bought for.

Edit: Damn you ninja kirsanth!

The only problem you would face is if your squad size is larger than 12 - then you would not be allowed to enter the transport. Otherwise you could fit up to:

- 12 Kroot
- 10 Kroot and 2 Hounds
- 10 Kroot and 2 Krootox (unless you say they take up 2 spots)
- Any combination of up to 12 models after half the squad gets blown away from not having an armor save

I play Tau, and I've found that Kroot are really only good for tying up one of your opponent's troops, preferably one that would totally destroy your other units. True, they have no cover save (unless you put a shaper in, and that only gives a 6+, waste of points as far as I'm concerned), but if you have enough of them they can keep something busy for a while. Usually that number is more than would fit in a transport anyway.

Gwar! wrote:Well, couldn't you have just looked in the codex?

I could have, but that would necessitate aquiring a copy of the codex to sit and read. I don't play tau, but it came up in a tournament. I didn't know the answer and a quick scan of someone else's codex didn't show a rule they they couldn't, but I didn't have time to read every page to make certain it wasn't hidden somewhere. Hence I asked you folks.

Cancerien wrote:I play Tau, and I've found that Kroot are really only good for tying up one of your opponent's troops, preferably one that would totally destroy your other units. True, they have no cover save (unless you put a shaper in, and that only gives a 6+, waste of points as far as I'm concerned), but if you have enough of them they can keep something busy for a while. Usually that number is more than would fit in a transport anyway.

Over the weekend, 12 Kroot killed off a Cannonness and a Slaaneshi Daemon Prince for me.

They're fine for single targets with relatively few remaining wounds - weight of numbers is your friend.

Janthkin wrote:

Cancerien wrote:I play Tau, and I've found that Kroot are really only good for tying up one of your opponent's troops, preferably one that would totally destroy your other units. True, they have no cover save (unless you put a shaper in, and that only gives a 6+, waste of points as far as I'm concerned), but if you have enough of them they can keep something busy for a while. Usually that number is more than would fit in a transport anyway.

Over the weekend, 12 Kroot killed off a Cannonness and a Slaaneshi Daemon Prince for me.

They're fine for single targets with relatively few remaining wounds - weight of numbers is your friend.

Agreed, I had one kroot hound route a 10 man veteran squad and then proceed to run it down, followed by doing it again. I have since quit underestimating kroot and their hounds.

The transport holding kroot is normally referred to as a fish of fury, It's not the most visually inspiring thing but neither is a guard player that starts his games with tanks on buildings, not "IN" buildings "ON" buildings.

You know who I'm talking to

LucasLAD wrote:The transport holding kroot is normally referred to as a fish of fury, It's not the most visually inspiring thing but neither is a guard player that starts his games with tanks on buildings, not "IN" buildings "ON" buildings.

I am 110% Certain Fish of Fury does not refer to that, but rather to a Outdated 4th edition Tau Tactic of Disembarking Shas'la behind a Devilfish transport, using the "never Blocks LOS" Skimmer rule, while at the same time blocking the possibility for the unit in front to assault the Shas'la.

LucasLAD wrote:You know who I'm talking to

I don't know who you're talking to, but I know for certain that no, that is _not_ what a Fish of Fury is.

Looks like LucasAD dropped the
Hold on tighter next time. That stuff's slippery.