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Say I drop pod my MM/HF Dreadnaught and the opponent has his armor surrounded by infantry and I fire at the tank over his infantry troops.

If the tank is within 8" then the template hits it and also gets all the guys under it.

If the tank is beyond 8" then the template cant reach it. Can I still shoot the infantry with the heavy flamer? Can I aim it any direction within 45 degree arc or does it have to be in the direction of the tank?

I was thinking I could shoot it at any angle because the max number in the unit I am shooting is zero so I am not hindered by anything else except the 45 degree angle.

denny1824 wrote:If the tank is beyond 8" then the template cant reach it. Can I still shoot the infantry with the heavy flamer? Can I aim it any direction within 45 degree arc or does it have to be in the direction of the tank

No, you cannot, as the target is out of range and the Flamer auto-misses, thus the template does not hit the infantry.

On page 29, under Template, it says "Instead of rolling to hit, simply place the template so that its narrow end is touching the base of the model firing it and the rest of the template covers as many models as possible in the target unit without touching any friendly models."

I don't see any thing about missing if you can't reach. Where is that rule at?

It is the Check range Part, which happens before the Roll to hit part.

Page 17:
"If a target is beyond this maximum range, the shot misses automatically."

As the Range is Template, if the Target is more than the templates distance away, it auto misses.

RAWR I ninja'd insaniak for once

Page 17, "Check Range"


The template rules replace the To hit roll, and give you a handy teardrop shape to check range with instead of your tape measure. They don't remove the rule that tells you you miss if the target is out of range.

Gwar!: No, you cannot, as the target is out of range and the Flamer auto-misses, thus the template does not hit the infantry.

I'm not sure if this is true.
Heavy Flamers are listed with Template in there range characteristic.
They have no range number listed
The qualifications for firing a template is that the firer must place the narrow end to it's base and the wide end covering as many models in the target unit as possible without touching friendly models.
With vehicles, the template must cover as much of the vehicle as possible without touch friendly models. (none is a possibility)
I don't see anything saying that if the target can't be cover that the template weapon fails to fire since it seems to me that unless the template rules (pg29) trump the Check Range rules (pg17) that the template weapons would never be able to fire as they have no range measurement listed.
Also the template rules seem to indicate that the weapon is designed to cause incidental casualties, as rules are write to handle these incidental casualties.

Thanks

You still measure range. Nothing in Template says you do not.


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denny1824 wrote:Thanks

You are most welcome.

Belphegor wrote:They have no range number listed

They don't have a range number... but they do have a range.


You determine hits and range by placing the template. Anything not under the template is out of range of the weapon.

insaniak: They don't have a range number... but they do have a range
You determine hits and range by placing the template. Anything not under the template is out of range of the weapon.

I suppose interpreting otherwise would open up too much possibility for abusive dreadnought/Russ multi-targeting.
Thanks

Belphegor wrote:

Gwar!: No, you cannot, as the target is out of range and the Flamer auto-misses, thus the template does not hit the infantry.

I'm not sure if this is true.

Think again in that case because as so often before Gwar has the correct answer. Range: Template gives no special excemption from auto-missing if the chosen target is out of range. Blasts that scatter out of range have an excemption in their rules. If in doubt, always return to "what isn't permitted is not happening".