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I plan on fielding a Seer Council in a Wave Serpent as I use it anyway pretty regularly. I will be facing a pair of Nurgle winged DPs in my next game. What are the odds of taking down a DP with a Seer Council bhacked up by five WG in a serpent? Can it be done easily? My scoring troops are two DAVU that I will keep away from the DPs. They are the main threat as I can simply outmaneuver the rest of his list. Those two squads - Yriel, Farseer and Six warlocks AND Five Wraithguard with a seer in another WS are my only two options to take on the DPs. Suggested tactics?

Shoot him. He's only toughness 5 with a 3+/5++ save, so just spam things with a lot of shots, like Scatterlasers. You may want to consider Starcannons so you can negate one of his saves and greatly increase your chance of wounding him.

A nurgle DP is T6.

Seer councils will cut through DPs like a hot knife through butter. You strike first, negate thier high toughness with weapons that wound on 2+ and get a rediculous number of attacks. You also get a very high re-rollable save against a DP. Seer councils are one of the things that demon princes of all descriptions fear most.

Daemon Princes of Nurgle are T5(6), thanks to their mark, but the same advice applies: volume of fire. You may be surprised at just how Doomed a Daemon Prince can be.

Cheese there Nurgle DP's so T6. But he's right, alot of shots & AP3 weapons and there be gone in no time.

Just dont ignore the rest of his army, its a tactic used by CSM players, they throw there DP's at you. You shoot the gak outa it and the rest of his army gets into position to give a good arse kicking.

Daemon Princes will go at the same time as the majority of your council (except the Farseer, who goes first).

The only problem with assaulting a DP with your seer council is that you are likely to lose your Farseer if he manages to get into base-to-base with it. Your farseer will go first, but won't kill the DP. The warlocks go at the same time as the DP at I5, assuming you have Enhance (obviously you do). The DP will put 4 attacks on your farseer, 3+ to hit, 2+ to wound. If one gets through the 4+ reroll, your farseer is dead. If he has Warptime (and he manages to activate it), he is very likely to put 4 wounds on your Farseer, which you will likely fail at least one and die.

Warwalker squads w/ Scatter Lasers and Missile Launchers seem to be a good mix at wrecking their gak.

10 Fire dragons coming out of a Wave Serpent and shooting the DP will kill him on average. You have to deploy close to him - within 12", but it is a good counter.

Lord-Loss wrote:Cheese there Nurgle DP's so T6. But he's right, alot of shots & AP3 weapons and there be gone in no time.

Just dont ignore the rest of his army, its a tactic used by CSM players, they throw there DP's at you. You shoot the gak outa it and the rest of his army gets into position to give a good arse kicking.

Lord-Loss has it right. DP's are scary, but if you make him roll lots of armour saves, hes going to fail one- especially AP3 weaps. If you can take 2 wounds off him before CC, you'll get a nice surpise when he dies. I don't play Eldar/have opponents atm that do, but if seer councils get 2+ to wound (according to Regwons post), then they sound like one of Nurgle DP's worst enemies. Speaking of which, what is Seer council/warlock WS? I've seen a single DP in close combat fail with regular boyz to crush any orks, then only crush 1 the next CC phase. Unsupported DP's can get swarmed easily, and if you can isolate a wounded DP with your Seer council/WG unit, they will probably chop him up pretty quick.

Just don't forget the rest of his army , its a tactic used by CSM players, they throw there DP's at you. You shoot the gak outa it and the rest of his army gets into position to give a good arse kicking.

Yea... I run 2 spartan Deamon princes, for the sole purpose of damage sponge.

But I don't run T6 Dps.... so storm bolters and that kind of equivalent are annoying.

Weight of fire is an efficient way of killing them esp. with the ease of cover saves these days.

For Eldar the longer range Ap2 are really expensive to come by... dragons are an option, but it depends on what you need to kill more the DP or the other armored threats as in most cases they only get one shot.

My 7 Cents.

As always, DP's are heavy bolter bait. Eldar have even better multi-shot weapons so that's probably the best way to take them down.

The 3 things that I use to kill DPs as Eldar are Scatterlasers, SeerCouncil, and if all else fails, Shuriken Cannons. I just prefer to not use the Shuricans because of their shorter range.

A seer council inna serpent should always include Eldrad, since he can't ride a bike anyway. That alleviates the T3 problem.

Or, you could always have the farseer stay in the ride or expertly assault so as to not allow the farseer to get into btb contact. That also prevents the DP from splatting him while your 'locks whup his @ss.

Seer Councils are retinues so the Daemon Prince can never single out your Farseer / Eldrad, even if he is in B2B with it.

In other words: your Seer Council won't have any problems killing a Daemon Prince.

Airmaniac wrote:Seer Councils are retinues so the Daemon Prince can never single out your Farseer / Eldrad, even if he is in B2B with it.

In other words: your Seer Council won't have any problems killing a Daemon Prince.

This isnt true. Retinues no longer exist in the eldar codex. A squad of warlocks is its own separate unit. A farseer, as an idependant character, can always be singled out in combat by a model that is in base contact with it.

I also run two Nurgle DPs and a summoned Greater every game. They die to lots of shooting, but also hate getting tarpitted. I get 4 base attacks, and, honestly, at least one of those will miss. Then I get to hit back and that's when I get the damage done. Even then, that's 3 dead? In a decent-sized unit you'll be able to stick a turn. If they're running Warptime and you're at lower points, that eats another chunk of what they can have in their army. I'd assume with a Seer Council this isn't a lower points game though I know I'd be scared to death of Scatter Lasers and Doom. Power Weapons really hurt when they actually wound, so a couple of Spears wouldn't damage your cause in the least (give you a good shot before charging, too).

War Walkers with scatter lasers.

Doom them and shoot them.

Each one has 8 shots, so a squad of 3 is going to get 24 shots, 12 hit, 6 wound and then another 3 wound after rerolls. That almost kills it by itself.

Eldar Missile Launchers on your Wave Serpents will seal the deal.

Doom is a well-named psychic power. You could probably pull it off with just about any high-firepower unit, like a unit of Dire Avengers using a Bladestorm. Or a unit of Warp Spiders, etc.

Gully Foyle wrote:Daemon Princes will go at the same time as the majority of your council (except the Farseer, who goes first).

The only problem with assaulting a DP with your seer council is that you are likely to lose your Farseer if he manages to get into base-to-base with it. Your farseer will go first, but won't kill the DP. The warlocks go at the same time as the DP at I5, assuming you have Enhance (obviously you do). The DP will put 4 attacks on your farseer, 3+ to hit, 2+ to wound. If one gets through the 4+ reroll, your farseer is dead. If he has Warptime (and he manages to activate it), he is very likely to put 4 wounds on your Farseer, which you will likely fail at least one and die.

Council is bodygaurd, no singlaling out the farseers...

Dire Avengers are only going to land about 6 wounds on a Doomed Nurgle Prince. T6 is a beast. You really need at least BS4/S5 to do it. War Walkers are an obvious choice. Guided War Walkers are absolutely murderous.

Isnt the OP asking about a council of a farseer AND Yriel?

Its not going to take much preliminary shooting to then let the two ICs take out a DP. They both hit on a 4+, wound on a 2+, and Yriel's spear ignores regular armor saves so his attacks (5 on the charge) are going to be pretty solid.

Five wraithguard and then that kind of assault should regularly take out a DP. (why wraithguard and not fire dragons tho?)



Sliggoth

@gameandwatch:
Lets see some RAW from the Eldar Codex on them being a bodyguard/retinue.

They are not, the Farseer can be picked out if in b2b with the enemy, as said before.

Show me where it says 'bodyguard' or 'retinue' in the Army List section of the Eldar codex.....you can't becuase it does not exist there.

But take this to the rules section.
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As for killing DP's anything goes really, weight of dice being the most efficient as the DaemonPrince can't change the armor save it gets.

My 7 Cents.