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I play dark elves and I have just recently thoroughly read my codex and these two items stand out to me as inexcusable mistakes that the GW staff should have picked up. 25 points to shut down opponents magic with the ring, and even worse 35 points to make an unkillable lord. for example:

dreadlord
pendant of khaleth
armor of darkness
dragon

Does anyone else see that as insane? 1 up save and basically a 2 up ward save against any enemy that is decent? Or am I missing out on something? And I though black guard were overpowered! lol.

No, you're not missing anything.

It's that crazy...

This is why I play DE.

Quiet, if you make too much noise they'll nerf us.

Also you forgot the Regen on the Lord.

never said I wasn't going to use it and they will never nerf us. Judging by the amount of flaws in the good old DE codex, they will have an easier time just making every other army rigged as well. Which is what I fear will happen soon with the upcoming skaven codex. strength 5 toughness 5 fearless skaven anyone

Try building your Lord like this:

Dreadlord
Crimson Death
Armour of Eternal Servitude
Pendant of Khaeleth
Black Dragon
Shield
Sea Dragon Cloak


But yes, certain Magic Items in the Dark Elves book are really underpriced. Ring of Hotek and Pendant of Khaeleth stand out the most, but Banner of Hag Graef is certainly undercosted as well.

It's not that bad though, if the Dark Elves wouldn't have these overpowered items, then who would withstand the wrath of the Daemons of Chaos?

vampire counts can... "what I failed invocation of nehek! o well I will just cast it again 27 times!" muahahahaha!

He's simple to kill.

Win Combat against him, and catch him when you pursue, or better yet, have his flight path be blocked by something that is US5 or better. All those precious magic items are now worthless.

What's even more awesome? A lord on a dragon struggles against a block of 25 men with swords and shields, and a unit of light cav. Do the math on which is more expensive.

yes but a good general won´t be silly enough to get into that situation. he can fly afterall and if he doesn´t want to be there he won´t

The flying general/pendant+ hotek is a almost default combo in the GT and tournment scene. You kind of get used to it, and keep it in the back of your head how to kill it.

My GT/Tournment armies are skaven and demons, soon to be high elves. With any of those, I focus on killing the dragon, who doesn't get the ward save, in either combat, or shooting.

Vs the lord, str 4-5 seem's the target, reducing his save by 1-2, and the ward save to a 5-6 if I remember correctly. Its not simple, but doable. A warp lightning cannon shot and jezzails are usually enough to kill the dragon out from under him, and then he's running on foot, which isn't that scary.

The ring is all about where its placed. My favorite is the unit of coldone's on the champ. Its smart, because it forces your opponent to kill that instead of the lord on the dragon, but people forget if you get the coldone unit down to 4 models+the champ, you can randomize into the champ, and poof... no ring. Again Skaven and their jezzails, demon's with flesh hounds suiciding are great options here.

You stick him on a dragon and I'd try and shoot it out from under him (with 4 bolt throwers and 10 fanatics, dragons tend to stay away)

I think we had the pendent discussion before and it was determined thatthe ideal weapon would be a shooting attack at strength 2 with killing blow....

And the ideal spell would be Buboes, right? Low casting gets past Ring of Hotek, no strength values lets it get by pendant...

RZ

leighr3029 wrote:yes but a good general won´t be silly enough to get into that situation. he can fly afterall and if he doesn´t want to be there he won´t

If the Player with the Dragon spends more than 3 turns not in combat, he'll really be struggling to make his presence worth while. Even with a 20 inch move, it usually takes a dragon 2 turns to get into position to do some damage. I've never played against someone who could use a dragon well enough to justify its use, and I've played against a LOT of dragons in my time.

Wait I take that back, back in 3rd ed when you could have a Khorne lord with somewhere north of 14 attacks on a dragon that your typical ws3, str3 dude couldn't hurt cuz he was t7, and the Dragon also had like 9 attacks at str7... that guy was always worth it.

he could devastate your typical 3000 point army by himself.

Terror bomb and breath make a dragon worth it against alot of armies, that gives you the third turn doing something before the charge.

Ragnar4 wrote:

leighr3029 wrote:yes but a good general won´t be silly enough to get into that situation. he can fly afterall and if he doesn´t want to be there he won´t

If the Player with the Dragon spends more than 3 turns not in combat, he'll really be struggling to make his presence worth while. Even with a 20 inch move, it usually takes a dragon 2 turns to get into position to do some damage. I've never played against someone who could use a dragon well enough to justify its use, and I've played against a LOT of dragons in my time.

Wait I take that back, back in 3rd ed when you could have a Khorne lord with somewhere north of 14 attacks on a dragon that your typical ws3, str3 dude couldn't hurt cuz he was t7, and the Dragon also had like 9 attacks at str7... that guy was always worth it.

he could devastate your typical 3000 point army by himself.

I've noticed that in a more competetive settings the dragons often work more as a points-denial and threat tool and one often sees only single combat involving the dragon per game. Especially high/dark-elf dragons work well in this regard as both have excellent selection of magic items for their riders. Yes, it's very possible (and often likely) that the dragon won't kill 500-800 pts worth of enemy units in a game, but savvy generals can rack up some points with terror,breath weapon and the riders shooting/magic and at the same time keep the dragon relatively safe as it's very mobile (assuming there's at least some terrain in the table vs the war-machine heavy armies).

The above reason is one that makes Dark Elves fun, and fun to play against. Hatred makes the army shine, but playing against a clever Dark Elf general who knows exactly what they want to do is really challenging and fun. It can be frustrating, but I love when people play in theme of the army. Dark elves are supposed to be evil, deceitful, and vindictive. Players who stay in theme with the list, often do well.

The RoH wouldn't have been nearly so bad if the range was reduced to 6" from the bearer.

I think i might have a solution for why the ring of hotek is underpriced: it effects your sorceresses as well though its not much of a promblem if hes mouted as he can march out of 12". Also unless hes on a Black Dragon or Manticore its going to be at least turn 2 before he gets within 12" of the enemy wizards.

Eldar Own, the Ring of Hotek doesn't only affect wizards within 12" of it, it also affects wizards targeting a unit within 12" of it.

Get a unit of sword masters or phoenix guard in combat with him with a High elf Prince that has the Null Stone. Say good buy to your silly Lord all that magical protection is GONE with out a spell being cast and the Sword masters will carve him up. All he gets is a 5+ armour save at best (after mods) no ward save, no regen, nothing. Poor, poor Lord.