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Some comments would be nice, you DakkaDakka fellows.

Pretty solid guide.

Couple problems:

No mention of 2x TL autocannon dreadnoughts

Adivising Powerfists in tact squads is bad. (you want your squads to lose combat so they can run away so they can shoot, not stay tied up in CC.) Thats why ATSKNF and combat tactics are so amazing.

No real mention of HF/MM Landspeeders or Typhoon Landspeeders. Both staples in good marine lists.

Finally, Razorbacks are really expensive and not that good for the points they cost. Plus they force you to combat squad. I think you are giving them too much credit for what they do.

Other than those 4 points, a very nice guide for new players.

No mention of 2x TL autocannon dreadnoughts

Adivising Powerfists in tact squads is bad. (you want your squads to lose combat so they can run away so they can shoot, not stay tied up in CC.) Thats why ATSKNF and combat tactics are so amazing.

No real mention of HF/MM Landspeeders or Typhoon Landspeeders. Both staples in good marine lists.

Finally, Razorbacks are really expensive and not that good for the points they cost. Plus they force you to combat squad. I think you are giving them too much credit for what they do.

Good points.
I'll include them.

Done.

Biker command squads should always have 4x storm shields make them very very hard to kill.

Commans squads should be added under your list of recommendations for what squads independant characters could join

A great command squad is


Command squad: 365pts
4x Storm shields, 3x Lightning claw, 4x storm shields, Power fist.

Can deal with everything and anything.#
Turn one turbo boost. Turn two pop a raider, rhino, razorback, devilfish and assault the unit inside.

I am not a big fan of articles that say 'this is the way to do things' - there are other ways to run a commander that do not involve a combi-melta, for example.

Especially in the elites section, your advice to run squads of 10 is contrary to most popular advice about terminators.

Shouldn't this be called 'Space Marines - my opinion' or 'Space Marines - How I Play Them' or something.

It seems that your 'recommendations' are too inflexible. I'm not a fan of any introduction for new gamers that implies that there are only two ways to equip a Chapter Master...

ArbitorIan wrote:Shouldn't this be called 'Space Marines - my opinion' or 'Space Marines - How I Play Them' or something.

It seems that your 'recommendations' are too inflexible. I'm not a fan of any introduction for new gamers that implies that there are only two ways to equip a Chapter Master...

I agree

I feel like the best way to address the article's inflexibility would be to rename it something along the lines of
'an introduction to Space Marines in competitive play'. You'd still need to tone down the language, because it isn't exactly the only way to play, but it'd be a start.

Timmah wrote:

Finally, Razorbacks are really expensive and not that good for the points they cost. Plus they force you to combat squad. I think you are giving them too much credit for what they do.

A razorback with HB's costs merely 5pts more than a Rhino, so for 60pts you have a Dozer blade, extra armor and twin linked heavy bolters, a decent anti hord tank when brought in pairs or when backing out a five man squad.
what I noticed was how you didn't include 8x Combi Meltas and 2x heavy flamers for drop podding Sternguard.other wise its not to bad,but as others have stated, it seems inflexible.

Wikified and renamed. Wuestenfux, you can edit it to see how I built in the subsections
so that the wiki recognizes it and builds the table of contents.

I didn't add sub-sections as that would have automatically expanded the table of
contents to a large degree. Let me know if it's confusing.

malfred wrote:Wikified and renamed. Wuestenfux, you can edit it to see how I built in the subsections
so that the wiki recognizes it and builds the table of contents.

I didn't add sub-sections as that would have automatically expanded the table of
contents to a large degree. Let me know if it's confusing.

Thank you, looks very good.

I'll come back and deal with the above reviewers' comments.

Went in and made lists out of your lists (used * to make them bulleted lists) and added
links to the DAkka Unit summary articles throughout.

malfred wrote:Went in and made lists out of your lists (used * to make them bulleted lists) and added
links to the DAkka Unit summary articles throughout.

Bulleted lists look good.
Links are a nice idea.

Thanks to the reviewers for the comments.
I complied with all the reviewevs' comments made so far.

Clearly, this article was written from my personal perspective of the game and may seem a bit inflexible to other players with different experiences.

I love it Wuestenfux, sure its got a lot of opinion but hey, im reading it cause I want your opinion!

High conviction, I love it.

You talk about the Razorback squads having 9 men and then Heavy weapons. In the SM codex you have to have 10 men to be allowed a heavy weapon!

I think it is almost out of date, but your army lists are under older SM codex? Because you referred to razorback 10 men squads, but RB can transport only 6men max.

He could be combat squadding the units at the start of the game, which i believe (getting back into the hobby after 3+ years) is ok?

Nice imforative guide and GO ULTRAMARINES WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Udunai wrote:I think it is almost out of date, but your army lists are under older SM codex? Because you referred to razorback 10 men squads, but RB can transport only 6men max.

no no, razorbacks have ALWAYS only carried six men, my sentiments exactly

There's an Error describing the differences between Chapter Masters and Captains - You say Captains can utilize Orbital Bombardment.