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So I must be dumb as searching did not come up with anything, but with regards to the hellhound firing its inferno cannon, how do you determine hits? Is it just the standard template rules in the BRB (place the template so that it covers as many units, ect...) with no deviation or anything like that? Or is there a deviation for it? It just seems weird that it can shoot without deviation or making a roll for shooting.

Why? Do you have this issue with other flame weapons not deviating?

it's a S6 AP4 flamer that instead of placing in contact with the barrel of the firing weapon, you place it within 12" of the barrel. Simple.

The Defenestrator wrote:it's a S6 AP4 flamer that instead of placing in contact with the barrel of the firing weapon, you place it within 12" of the barrel. Simple.

But with the larger end no closer to the barrel than the smaller end. So you can angle it around a bit to score some more hits i believe

Bookwrack wrote:Why? Do you have this issue with other flame weapons not deviating?

Sorry, I was away and not able to respond for a while. I dont have issues with other flame weapons not deviating because they are fired from the base of the figure. My question deals with shooting a flame template. It states it a template weapon, but there are no other template weapons that "shoot" (being a ranged weapon that is). Like I said. My concern is because it is ranged rather than a typical template weapon. I play IG so I like the idea of placing a flame template how I want and not having to roll for deviation or misses actually.... lol

Well, it is not a Blast Weapon, so why would you think it scatters?

I think he's discussing the fairness of the weapon.

Against certain armies (mostly swarms), S6 Template weapons will destroy everything. Other times it's not as useful. (Wraithguard, perhaps?)

ajfirecracker wrote:I think he's discussing the fairness of the weapon.

Against certain armies (mostly swarms), S6 Template weapons will destroy everything. Other times it's not as useful. (Wraithguard, perhaps?)

Fairness? S8 AP 3Large Blasts with 72" range are not fair against Marines, NERF LEMAN RUSS!

Should be ignored since post it was aimed at was edited.

( AP 2 ? )

New upgrade?

Vanquisher.

Edit, looking at it, for the 5 points, why would you ever take a BT over a Vanquisher?

ajfirecracker wrote:Vanquisher.

Edit, looking at it, for the 5 points, why would you ever take a BT over a Vanquisher?

Not large blast.
Heavy 1

Marines dislike S8 AP 3 templates, not single S8 AP 2 shots.

You are right. I mis-read the Vanquisher profile, and now see why you would take a BT.

ajfirecracker wrote:You are right. I mis-read the Vanquisher profile, and now see why you would take a BT.

Vanqushers roll 2D6 for Armour Pen rather than 2D6 Pick Highest.

Gwar, I wasn't saying you should always take BT. I was saying I could see why you would ever take them (i.e. Vanquishers are not purely better).

Sorry to hijack the thread, but the wording of the inferno cannon states that you place the template at 12". Does this imply that you can measure out the distance prior to setting the template, or do you set the template then test for range?

Thanks

Wow, its thread revival night No prob in hijacking the thread though... The way I would play it is that you would declare that your firing at an enemy squad, measure the distance (from the end of the gun I believe), if the unit is within range, then you would place the template. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

The way I play is by first declaring the shot, then placing the template so that the base is anywhere within 12" and at the same time covering as many models as possible.

The flamer profile explicitly tells you to cover as many models as possible but the blast templates just allows you to do so. That's why I use the above method rather than placing the 'plate and then measure if it's within range. At long ranges I might just hit one or two models while still keeping within 12".

berglin wrote:The way I play is by first declaring the shot, then placing the template so that the base is anywhere within 12" and at the same time covering as many models as possible.

The flamer profile explicitly tells you to cover as many models as possible but the blast templates just allows you to do so. That's why I use the above method rather than placing the 'plate and then measure if it's within range. At long ranges I might just hit one or two models while still keeping within 12".

That's exactly what I do. I declare my target, pop the tape measure out to 12" and then slide the template along the tape measure until I get maximum burnination.

This has gotten me thinking, however, about multiple units and inferno cannons. Since you can place the template anywhere from 0" to 12" from the cannon could you potentially take advantage of multiple units bunched closely together? Or do you have to maximize the coverage ONLY in the unit towards which you have declared your firing?

Situationally dependent, of course, but might make for leadership tests on multiple units where you ordinarily would have only prompted one. That is, only if I'm not violating some cardinal rule I conveniently forgot about...

DoW