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So today i was browsing GW's chaos army list and noticed the war smith. Im a fan of iron warrior so i checked it out and i noticed it read that only iron warrior armies could include a warsmith as their HQ. Which make sense but it got me thinking. Im fairly new to the game and i only play w40k with friends but i want to get into local tournaments here soon. Can i incorporate other chapters special marines, like noise marines, or thousand sounds or plague marines, into my army (currently painted as skull takers). I saw in my codex the section on how to include them as black legion but black legion has special back story. So is my paint scheme that decisive, or is that just a special trait of the warsmith.

back in the previous book (how i miss it) you could take a specific warsmith with iron warriors. now its more of just a title. you can take a chaos lord now and call him a "warsmith" if you want to and use the model as such. you can run anything in the CSM codex in your army.

No, paint scheme does not ultimately matter. All that matters is that you use a single ruleset, and you use it consistently.

For example, I play a regular brown and green painted marine chapter. All my assault terminators on the other hand, are painted like Blood Angels, but like the rest of my army, they use the regular rules from the Space Marine codex.

Don't worry, warsmiths don't actually exist in the rules any more, because GW hates fun.

The codex specifies the rules. Paint jobs make things look cooler. There's only a few rare places where this interacts other than making things easier such as denoting squad membership.

OTOH, a few years ago a few tournaments noted that they wouldn't allow Space Marines in incorrect livery... I.E. if your Spam were red, they better be Blood Angles or generic, and not Black Templars. I don't think this was very popular, though, and may have been dropped.


In general, if you like the model you can probably work it in with some converting... Use it as a regular HQ with weapons to match the model and convert as necessary.

ya, while you may get a bad score on theme or painting in a tournament for this, its not really necessary for your paint job to follow the army list anymore...

(which is one reason why people are so up in arms about the new marine book...)

edit: sorry double post

krusty wrote:ya, while you may get a bad score on theme or painting in a tournament for this, its not really necessary for your paint job to follow the army list anymore...

(which is one reason why people are so up in arms about the new marine book...)

People actually care what colours the figures are painted?

I think it's good they are painted at all.

Kilkrazy wrote:

krusty wrote:ya, while you may get a bad score on theme or painting in a tournament for this, its not really necessary for your paint job to follow the army list anymore...

(which is one reason why people are so up in arms about the new marine book...)

People actually care what colours the figures are painted?

I think it's good they are painted at all.

QFT!

I'm not sure what chapter uses "plastic-grey" or "all black, no trim" as their scheme, but I see a lot of them!

Chapter Grey Squires and Chapter Space Ninjas.

I have this sudden urge to paint a squad of marines in various shades of gray with gray highlights. I wonder how much work it is to match the natural shade of the sprue...

Actually, an army painted with perfect lighting in greyscale would be pretty cool. Although it would probably be easier to understand for random passers-by if they were sepia tone.

I've always wanted to see good charcoal schemes...

Paint scheme does not matter (other than aesthetically). The rule is the model is what counts
and what the model is equipped with.

Well, as i see it sum paint cant stop you from including the units you want, because if wh40k was all about paint chemes, the best players and the tuornament players would all leave their stuff un-painted.

cya

JJ's been using the same grey Space Marine army for years and freely admits to using those models to play Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Black Templars, White Scars etc etc

And if JJ says it's cool, then it must be cool.

@ H.B.M.C. - Please treat the above line as sarcasm, I don't want you to have to waste anti Jervis rhetoric on me.

Iv made a number of the vanilla marine characters "dark angely" just to keep the theme of my army. But Iv said it before and Ill say it again, your army is YOUR army. Never let anyone tell you otherwise. You want to have all pink blood angels? Thats your deal. All your space wolves have dark angel bodies? Whatever floats your boat.

The most important thing when playing with your own custom army is to make sure your opponent knows whats what. Played a guy once who would spring random units on me that look nothing like their normal models (Oh this is an attack bike, but it has a robot on it. WTF). Is can be fun fighting and playing a custom army, as long as everyone knows whats going on.