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A. Follow the rules in Measuring Distances in the
Skimmers section in the Warhammer 40,000
rulebook with the following exception: For the
purposes of contesting objectives and
embarking/disembarking from a Valkyrie or
Vendetta, measure to and from the model’s base.
For example, models wishing to embark within a
Valkyrie can do so if at the end of their
movement, all models within the unit are within
2" of the Valkyrie’s base.

So my question is this: Does this mean I can disembark my troops anywhere 2" of the Valk/Vend base? If so then can it be in the front of the vehicle? This is a big deal to maximize using my scout move to drop my troops with melta guns right in enemy lines to destroy armor. It would allow me not have to turn my Valk/Vend sideways and I can still face armor I want to shoot at. RAW I would say yes but RAI I am not sure.

Yes. according to the FAQ, you can disembark within 2" of any part of part of the base.

Valks/Vends just got even better.

Well, many things go worse so I guess its a wash. I am really only diappointed in the ST thing using FRFSRF, I really wish I could justify a reason to take them and Ogryns, sigh.

People fail to realize that ST are actually 18 points each when you take 5 of them, it just makes me sick at that price.

broxus wrote:Well, many things go worse so I guess its a wash. I am really only diappointed in the ST thing using FRFSRF, I really wish I could justify a reason to take them and Ogryns, sigh.

People fail to realize that ST are actually 18 points each when you take 5 of them, it just makes me sick at that price.

They are fluff units, not power units.

Broxus - ST did not "get worse", they were never intended to get FRF!SRF! and in the rules they never did get it - Hot Shot Lasguns not being Lasguns being the main reason why not. Unfortunatley people unable to distinguish between two different weapons meant they now get to whine when told theyre wrong.

The FAQ was perfectly good, although why Autarchs get to stack the +1 with the same wording as an Advisor who doesn't is not that clear.

nosferatu1001 wrote:The FAQ was perfectly good, although why Autarchs get to stack the +1 with the same wording as an Advisor who doesn't is not that clear.

1: Wording is not the same. Autarchs are Optional, Advisors are mandatory.
2: Millennia Old Eldar > 60 Year Old Navy Guy

Alerian wrote:Valks/Vends just got even better.

Of course! Spiffy new model + spiffy new rulings = spiffy new sales!

kirsanth wrote:

Alerian wrote:Valks/Vends just got even better.

Of course! Spiffy new model + spiffy new rulings = spiffy new sales!

No joke...though it makes you wonder why GW didn't re-do the Ork FAQ declaring that Deffrollas could ram, the minute that the upgrade sprue went on sale.
I think someone was asleep in the marketing department on that one

Gwar! wrote:

nosferatu1001 wrote:The FAQ was perfectly good, although why Autarchs get to stack the +1 with the same wording as an Advisor who doesn't is not that clear.

1: Wording is not the same. Autarchs are Optional, Advisors are mandatory.
2: Millennia Old Eldar > 60 Year Old Navy Guy

EDIT: Nevermind, thought you were talking about advisors being mandatory, not their powers.

He meant that the Advisor's +1 is mandatory if you take them; and Autarch can choose whether to give the +1 or not...

Alerian wrote:

kirsanth wrote:

Alerian wrote:Valks/Vends just got even better.

Of course! Spiffy new model + spiffy new rulings = spiffy new sales!

No joke...though it makes you wonder why GW didn't re-do the Ork FAQ declaring that Deffrollas could ram, the minute that the upgrade sprue went on sale.
I think someone was asleep in the marketing department on that one

Why can't Deffrollas ram?

Ram =/= tank shock.

The CAN ram, but the d6 s10 hits do not apply to the vehicles, just to units tank shocked en route.

broxus wrote:A. Follow the rules in Measuring Distances in the
Skimmers section in the Warhammer 40,000
rulebook with the following exception: For the
purposes of contesting objectives and
embarking/disembarking from a Valkyrie or
Vendetta, measure to and from the model’s base.
For example, models wishing to embark within a
Valkyrie can do so if at the end of their
movement, all models within the unit are within
2" of the Valkyrie’s base.
.

Emphasis mine. The second point that caught my eye from the FAQ in addition to the disembark mentioned by OP. So lets see if I get this right. So from now on we should count the capture/contest distance for Valk/Vendys ( with scoring units inside ) from the base? Disregarding the default rule of measuring from the Hull? Or am I just reading too much into this?

You are correct, see my first post in this thread.

kirsanth wrote:Ram =/= tank shock.

The CAN ram, but the d6 s10 hits do not apply to the vehicles, just to units tank shocked en route.

Right, but if you'd rather ram a vehicle from 12" away, you could still ram and cause one Str 9 hit to the vehicle, all the while tank shocking the units in the way at D6 Str10 hits.

You mean this?

kirsanth wrote:

Alerian wrote:Valks/Vends just got even better.

Of course! Spiffy new model + spiffy new rulings = spiffy new sales!

How is this relevant? By only measuring from the base you actually lose some distance/area ( remember that the thing is huge even if you don`t count the wings ). Besides I already own four of the buggers .

puma713 wrote:

kirsanth wrote:Ram =/= tank shock.

The CAN ram, but the d6 s10 hits do not apply to the vehicles, just to units tank shocked en route.

Right, but if you'd rather ram a vehicle from 12" away, you could still ram and cause one Str 9 hit to the vehicle, all the while tank shocking the units in the way at D6 Str10 hits.

Actually, the best you can do at 12" is a S8 hit. You need a RPJ to do a S9.

AV14 (4) + Tank (1) + 12" move (3) = S8

The reason for this is the wording for Speed, under ramming: "Each full 3" moved that tun by the rammer before impact"
If you move 12" to hit a vehicle, you will be just under 12" move before making contact...even if it is just barely ie: 11.99999999999999999"

How is this relevant? By only measuring from the base you actually lose some distance/area ( remember that the thing is huge even if you don`t count the wings ).

It is better, because by RAW, the Valk/Vend could not contest objectives on the ground, nor could you noramlly disembark, because the hull and access points were too high offf the ground.

Now, the Valk can contest objectives, as well as allows you to normally disembark. It also has the added bonus of allowing disembarking IN FRONT of the Valks for extra range with your demo charges/melta vets.

Valks are a lot better after this FAQ.

Alerian wrote:

puma713 wrote:

kirsanth wrote:Ram =/= tank shock.

The CAN ram, but the d6 s10 hits do not apply to the vehicles, just to units tank shocked en route.

Right, but if you'd rather ram a vehicle from 12" away, you could still ram and cause one Str 9 hit to the vehicle, all the while tank shocking the units in the way at D6 Str10 hits.

Actually, the best you can do at 12" is a S8 hit. You need a RPJ to do a S9.

AV14 (4) + Tank (1) + 12" move (3) = S8

The reason for this is the wording for Speed, under ramming: "Each full 3" moved that tun by the rammer before impact"
If you move 12" to hit a vehicle, you will be just under 12" move before making contact...even if it is just barely ie: 11.99999999999999999"

Yeah, that was just bad math on my part.

A-P wrote: You mean this?

kirsanth wrote:

Alerian wrote:Valks/Vends just got even better.

Of course! Spiffy new model + spiffy new rulings = spiffy new sales!

How is this relevant? By only measuring from the base you actually lose some distance/area ( remember that the thing is huge even if you don`t count the wings ). Besides I already own four of the buggers .

You are ignoreing most of the distance you need to measure.
Vertical, specifically.

Is it now possible to assault a Valk with anything that's not monstrous? E.G. a MEQ model? They can't even get close to the actually skimmer unless it's immobilized or you can assault the base (what my FLGS rules)...

No krack for me?
Edit: Spelling

Assault always allowed the base to be used.

Yeah... I see that know, pg. 71, feth me...

kirsanth wrote:Ram =/= tank shock.

The CAN ram, but the d6 s10 hits do not apply to the vehicles, just to units tank shocked en route.

Except that ramming is a special form of tank shock...

This is an open question, it's been argued to death with no real resolution.

Just be aware that there are a number of people who disagree with kirsanth on this issue, and that they have some RAW evidence on their side.

Couldn't your BW ram 13"?

Ordznik wrote:

kirsanth wrote:Ram =/= tank shock.

The CAN ram, but the d6 s10 hits do not apply to the vehicles, just to units tank shocked en route.

Except that ramming is a special form of tank shock...

This is an open question, it's been argued to death with no real resolution.

Just be aware that there are a number of people who disagree with kirsanth on this issue, and that they have some RAW evidence on their side.

And storm bolters are a special kind of bolter.

However, there ARE disagreements - unless the INAT FAQ is used. (See: 'ard Boys)
(or the gentlemanly "I will use the least advantages interpretation for my things in the case of a disagreement" is not used and instead it seems . . . nicer to randomly decide with a d6 every game. Yea.)

Alerian wrote:

It is better, because by RAW, the Valk/Vend could not contest objectives on the ground, nor could you noramlly disembark, because the hull and access points were too high offf the ground.

Now, the Valk can contest objectives, as well as allows you to normally disembark. It also has the added bonus of allowing disembarking IN FRONT of the Valks for extra range with your demo charges/melta vets.

Valks are a lot better after this FAQ.

Yes, I am aware of all that . Like I said, I regularly play with four Valk/Vendys. For the record notice that my followup question was not about the new disembarking but capturing/contesting. Previously Valks could contest just fine. They just had to do it from "top to bottom" and therefore you placed objectives on top of ruins/hills/towers. Now with this new ruling that tactic is no longer valid ( or at least more difficult to pull).

And the Hull is still undefined . Might have some bearing why they ruled this way. Saved them the trouble.

Gwar! wrote:
2: Millennia Old Eldar > 60 Year Old Navy Guy

Quite a few advisors are well over 100, good old juvenat.

Still youd think some of them woul dbe able to speak clearly enought o the ground units to get their asses in gear....

broxus wrote:Well, many things go worse so I guess its a wash. I am really only diappointed in the ST thing using FRFSRF, I really wish I could justify a reason to take them and Ogryns, sigh.

The easiest way to justify taking either is to acquire serious brain damage. Also, you get a better parking space.

Meh, Ogryns rock from what I've seen of them in play.

Kind of related question:

If a Valk/vendetta explodes close to models on mutliple levels of a building does the explosion, if big enough (say 6") hit all models regardless of what level they are on or only models at the same height as the Valk/Ven?

Common sense tells me it hits all regardless as flyer blowing up normally explodes in a spherical fireball, not just a convex bubble and rules only say "models caught in the blast suffer a S3 hit"

The rules say D6" from the Vehicle. You measure from the hull in all Directions. Normally it only matters on the horizontal plane, but you measure vertical if it would matter.