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this came up in a game this week when a player tried to use his machine spirit to fire his LR Crusader's twin assault cannons when they had already been fired by the crew. can the machine spirit be used to shoot a weapon that has already been fired that shooting phase by the LR's crew? for clarity, it was a DA 4th edition LRC (since the 4th and 5th edition codices have different machine spirit rules).

You can fire one additional weapon. There is no magic, may fire a weapon twice. (edit well there's chaos dreads, but their rule specifically says fires twice)

No, you cannot.

i said the same thing since the fire from a single unit is simultaneous so the MS can't fire it because it's already firing throughout the shooting phase but that's poofy poofy mamby pamby RAI. is there any crunchy RAW to back this up? i couldn't find any.

What you said is the RAW. You pick a unit to fire, declare all firing weapons, and they all fire at "the same time."

All the machine spirit does is allow one of those weapons to choose a different target, which must be declared at the same time as the rest of the vehicle's shooting, a nuance that is lost on many players.

warboss wrote:i said the same thing since the fire from a single unit is simultaneous so the MS can't fire it because it's already firing throughout the shooting phase but that's poofy poofy mamby pamby RAI. is there any crunchy RAW to back this up? i couldn't find any.

It can fire 1 Additional Weapon, not "it can fire the same weapon twice".