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I cannot decide which to build, although I might magnetize but I have traditionally been too lazy to magnetize.

3x Leman Russ with Knight Commander.
Battle Cannons and Lascannons. No Sponsons.

1x Leman Russ Executioner with Knight Commander (Plasma Cannon Tank)
2x Leman Russ Exterminators (Heavy 4 Autocannon)
Lascannons.

What I might do is take Plasma Cannon Sponsons on the Exterminators but not the Executioner. I could also lose the Lascannons but I think it is a good fit.

On the other hand Battle Cannons are just... great. And without Heavy Bolters the Exterminator squadron is not as effective as a Horde infantry killing platform as the Battle Cannons.

I want to take 2x Manitcores but I have a hard time fitting everything in < 2250.

I will probably just take the Battle Cannon tanks.

"2x Leman Russ Exterminators (Heavy 4 Autocannon)
Lascannons."

sorry, but to me the Exterminator should have hull heavy bolter and sponson heavy bolters. they all just "fit" together. in my opinion the Autocannon and the Lascannon are used for hunting different types of targets.

Depends on what you're trying to do. If you're using an Exterminator to shoot at infantry, you're seriously trying to kill off infantry with 3 autocannon hits? Using it to shoot at Rhinos and Chimeras, the heavy bolter is next to useless but the lascannon might actually do something.

The exterminator is designed as anti-troop first, then transport popping as needed. Just because it can take a lascannon doesnt mean it is an anti-tank vehicle.

The Exterminator's strength is the ability to reliably place more than one S7 hit on a target. An Exterminator cannon might hit three infantrymen and depending on armor might kill one to three. Hooray. Against AV 11 3 hits with a 1/3 chance of penetrating gives a decent chance of accomplishing something useful. The odds for glancing grav tanks and chimeras are similar. Its ability to score multiple hits at a useful strength makes it more effective against light armor than other tank options.

Raxmei is right. The main role of an exterminator tank should be to pop transports. If you are looking for a purely anti-infantry tank, you don't want an exterminator. Heavy bolters offer no aid to the role of popping transports, whereas a lascannon does.

Back on topic, I vote for taking the venerated Battle Tanks. They are useful against a variety of targets, and don't suffer from any glaring weakness (aside from lame rear armor, but that is inherent to the non-Demolisher variants anyway). They are also the cheapest, another bonus to a solid tank.

I'd avoid Pask.

I'd build a pair of Executioners with sponson Plasma Cannons if possible. Otherwise, I'd build an Exec and then Demolishers and/or normal LRBTs with sponson Plasma Cannons.

Well before the punisher was out. I used my Exterminator as a anti-heavy Infantry tank. When it only got the 2 twin linked shots, followed by 9 heavy bolter rounds would punch a great hole in the small elite squads.

It could still be used that way, but the guys before me pointed out a great role for her.

I personally field 2 Russ BT's and 2 Basilisk... and I highly recomend you pick one or more basilisks, they are great weapons and can rain death.

And your idea of manicors? Right on brother... they are awesome... I just need to find the time and money to make some. Some one in another thread pointed out that they are the best any tank weapon in the IG book... when even if you do scatter, you have a chance of having a barrage hit on that tank... and boom that thing has a good str.

The manticore is a powerful weapon..together with a russ or 2, or a russ and a basilisk (hydras are also another good choice) the manticore will be your most powerful tank and horde buster....just make sure you several other vehicles too, or the manticore will be taken out quick....

You can convert one if you can get your hands on a spare whirlwind turret...use the V shaped stands from the IG heavy weapons teams and stick them to both ends of the rod where you are supposed to stick the whirlwind launchers, magnetize the tip of the V's, then use the hellfire missiles from the valkryies..perfect! and detachable so as to help you keep track of how many missiles are left!

"Depends on what you're trying to do. If you're using an Exterminator to shoot at infantry, you're seriously trying to kill off infantry with 3 autocannon hits? Using it to shoot at Rhinos and Chimeras, the heavy bolter is next to useless but the lascannon might actually do something."

seems to me you'd be better served spending the points for 1 Exterminator getting 2 Hydras if you're going to transport hunt.

Battle Cannon tanks are great. I'd stay away from making a tank w/ autocannons for transport killing. Foot based Autocannons can twin-link vs. vehicles, and will leave your Russ to more important things. I like having a blast weapon as my main gun. I like having weapons with similar ap values, so that the marine sergent isn't taking an armour save while the bolters take cover (or die instantly!).
Also-
The Demolisher is really wonderfull, and works on pretty much everything too!

i think the exterminator is dumb. your infantry should be packing autocannons. why waste the heavy support slot? also pask is only worth it on a punisher with heavy bolter or a vanquisher with a lascannon

Screw all that. Hunt tanks with the Vendetta. 130 points for 3 twin-linked lascannons, 3 vendettas at 390 points is a steal. Not to mention, 24 in per turn puts you on the flank of any tank/ transport as well as leaving you at a 6+ to hit. Only slow them down once you have the perfect shot and 9 twin linked Lassies will win thew day. Not too mention, pack a squad of melta/demo vets inside one of those birds.

For my russes, i have 3, im going Stock Russ w/ Heavy Bolter Hull and Sponsons, Executioner w/ Hull HB and Plasma Cannon Sponsons, and a naked Demolisher. Though, i may interchange the heavy bolter sponsons to the Demo and keep my stock russ naked since its Battle Cannon can plunk rounds well outside of the bolters range.

With the addition of the hydra to the codex, the exterminator does seem rather redundant... I guess if you absolutely have to have AV14 front armor, then the Russ variant is the way to go...

FoxPhoenix135 wrote:With the addition of the hydra to the codex, the exterminator does seem rather redundant... I guess if you absolutely have to have AV14 front armor, then the Russ variant is the way to go...

If you want those AC mobile, then the exterminator is better...if you want them static, then 2 hydras pack way more offensive firepower, with a longer range too....

I/ we may have even gotten confused, but this is what I was thinking of.

Executioner with Pask
Lascannon
Executioner Plasma Cannon + Lascannon

2x Exterminators
Heavy Bolter
Plasma Cannon Sponsons

So against AV12/AV13 you get

BS4 Lascannon
BS4 Scatter for the Plasma Cannons (so you figure maybe 3 will hit a good sized tank)
8x Autocannon shots @ BS3.

So you figure you will at least shake it. The thing is, that is almost, if not inclusive of 600 points in tanks. Your points are much better spent elsewhere.

What I am thinking is just taking two standard Russes, and then the Manticores or maybe the three Russes. Standard Russes are definately the most cost effective tank.

The bitch is fitting EVERYTHING else in. But I want to have enough armour to keep heat off the Manticores, or at least making you pay for taking them out, while still having decent infantry on the table. I was thinking something like two platoons of 20 with Autocannons and Grenade Launchers.

I could take Bassies.

The last thing I could do, and I did not really want to do this, is take Pask in a Vanquisher with a standard Leman Russ. So against vehicles you get:

BS4 Vanquisher
BS4 Lascannon
BS3 Ordnance Scatter
BS3 Lascannon

Not bad. Maybe Pask is not necessary. Against infantry you get the Big Template + the three AP2 shots (so one squad is going to get creamed) and you can take Heavy Bolters (or Heavy Flamers) on the Standard Russ.