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I was hoping some one else can help me out.

Since bringing a big mek allows a deff dread to count as a troop choice can it hold objectives since the rules read only Troop can hold objectives?

Thanks in advance

Hmmm.I would assume that since it's a troop along with the inclusion of a Big Mek,then yes it would be able to hold objectives.
You might want to move this question to YMDC,I'm sure there would be a bit of debate over this.

It cannot hold objectives, since it is not infantry, and only infantry can hold objectives. You're pretty much taking that Deff Dread as a troops choice to free up your heavy support options.

sweet thanks for the replys

this is kind of where me and my friends are on this rule. I called up Gamesworkshop they said it could hold objectives.

do you happen to know what page it says only infantry can hold objectives

Page 90 of the BGB.

...unit of Troops does not count as scoring::

If it is a vehicle...



Gamesworkshop are wrong. It is worth remembering that at leas 2/3 of GW staff are cretins and do not know the rules of the games. (Not that they'll ever admit it).

Non-infantry may hold objectives.

Normally, units that may hold objectives are any that are drawn from Troops and are not swarms or vehicles. (Unless I'm missing another exception)

The only scoring vehicle in the game is the DA Ravenwing Attack Squadron Land Speeder, and only if you are fielding Sammael to make it a troops choice, and it only scores because its codex says that it can, thus trumping the BRB.

Actually, they have a special rule that allows even the fast attack ones to score. Sammael is nice, but unnecessary for the desired effect. Also, the other members of the squad can score too, so you could potentially have a lot of scoring units.

Kitzz - they removed the FA slot ones from scoring, but not the RAS LS.

When did they do that?

Kitzz wrote:When did they do that?

The FAQ I guess.

**edits cos i'm basically repeating Fifty...**

Not the FAQ I have. I must be missing something.

What page does it deal with the T ones scoring? (playing telephone with a friend-- he's got his copy open in front of him, asking me questions over the phone, and I'm typing on the computron)

The codex states that the RAS squad counts as scoring, including the LS. The combat squad states all CS units are scoring however this was changed in the errata to state "normal unit" only - stopping them scoring.

Yes, but it doesn't matter whether they are troops or not; they are still scoring. The scoring distinction doesn't exist between fast attack RAS LS or troops RAS LS. In fact, the only time troops are mentioned with the RAS is in Sammael's entry.

what? under the Sammael entry at the end it says that ravenwing attack Squadrons may be taken as troops as well as fast attack. Nothing about them all being counted as scoring and nothing about the support squadrons.

Kitzz wrote:Yes, but it doesn't matter whether they are troops or not; they are still scoring. The scoring distinction doesn't exist between fast attack RAS LS or troops RAS LS. In fact, the only time troops are mentioned with the RAS is in Sammael's entry.

Is your reference page 27 / Ravenwing combat squads?

If so, youre aware that this is a 4th ed codex and 4th ed scoring/victory points ?

Are you aware that there are still third edition codecies that force you to have dedicated transports that can only transport units they are purchased with, or that Black Templars still have to take target priority tests in some cases?

You have to take the good with the bad. GW has stated more times than I care to mention that if your codex specifies something over the rulebook, even if it is a hangover from a previous edition, you must do what your codex says.

In this specific case, they even removed the similar wording from the front of the codex that applied to all units via errata. If you want to argue intent, check out what the authors did (even though intent usually doesn't mean squat in this board).

There it is... bigger than life. In reference to the Dark Angels Attack Bike and Land Speeder purchased as part of a Ravenwing Attack Squadron they must be purchased and deploy as a unit but from then on..."they always operate as completely independent scoring units of one model".

To get back to the original poster... since your Deff Dred has no such entry making him a scoring unit, while he is still a Troops choice due to the Big Mek, he's not scoring. But that's not why you take them as Troops anyway. You do it so you can have nine Killa Kans *AND* a Deff Dred.

I've never read the rule that non infantry can't hold objectives but i know only troops can and if the defdread counts as troop then yes it can hold the objective, the other team just better have some MM's

Keefer wrote:I've never read the rule that non infantry can't hold objectives but i know only troops can and if the defdread counts as troop then yes it can hold the objective, the other team just better have some MM's

Page 90 BRB:

An army's scoring units are all the units that come from its Troops allowance. The presence of other units may deny an objective to the enemy, but only Troops can control it. There are a few exceptions, however, when a unit of Troops does not count as scoring:
• If it is a vehicle.
• If it has the Swarm special rule.
• If it has a special rule specifying it never counts as a scoring unit.

So no, Deff Dreads cannot capture Objectives.

Bummer