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"As a psychic shooting attack, trace a stright line along the board, starting from the Rune Priest and ending 24" away. This line may pass through terrain. Monstrous creatures, beasts, cavalry, bikes and infantry models that are touched by this line must take an Initiative test.(bgb p.8) If the models fails the test, it is removed from play. Monstrous creatures subtract 1 from thier dice roll due to their tremendous size and strength. A roll of a 6 is always a failure."

Ok as you can see this psychic attack is very powerful and comes free on a 100 point model of which 4 can be in an army. My question is this. Can this be used to snipe guys such as melta gunners, plasma gunners, ect? Will bodyguards help protect IG characters from this? Can anyone tell me if they think this is way over the top for killing things such as Carnfex's, Necrons, Tau, etc? Maybe I am crazy but wow this skill can crush many armies. Also does anyone see any loopholes on how to beat it? The worst part is that you dont even need LOS to use this skill.

I dont know if you guys know but SW's also got a new psychic attack that does D6 S7 attacks that doesnt require LOS and has unlimited range. This will not only crush many vehicles but wow squads such as IG heavy weapon squads.

And this is a rules question because?

It has a very limited range.

Also, you do need LOS. It is a shooting attack.

With an initiative of 1 a fex is fethed.
With upgrades theres still a 50/50 chance he is fethed (with the bonus from the jaws rule)

To be honest, i would say you cant snipe characters since its allready amazing, but in game, i think it will do.
The way its written does not suggest that you cannot snipe characters from units, also, since it is using a simple line to target models i doubt you can remove a model from a unit when it wasnt him who took the hit.

So the rumors were wrong that you are limited to 1 of each type of character? Cause if you are, then you can only have 2 of them: 1 from a regular WP and the other from the special character WP.

Were are my Runes of Warding for my Librarian with a hood....it seems that combo is needed...

Or just mech everything...and only expect one round of firing from any given special weapon trooper.

My 7 Cents.

Ludovic, you can have 4.
They just need different wargear / powers.

Ah yes, another update that makes mechanizing almost mandatory for competitive play... good thing GW vehicle kits are cheap! You've got to hand it to them though, they really know how to turn a profit.

In all seriousness, it sounds like I'll soon have to bust out Inquisitor Bob and his mystical friends to save my IG from certain doom. Maybe dig out my Culexis for s&g?

DoW

DogOfWar wrote:Ah yes, another update that makes mechanizing almost mandatory for competitive play... good thing GW vehicle kits are cheap! You've got to hand it to them though, they really know how to turn a profit.

Yaaay for Tyranids.

Oh wait. . .





hehe

Gwar! wrote:And this is a rules question because?

It has a very limited range.

Also, you do need LOS. It is a shooting attack.

Gwar, I see several question marks in my post. If you dont have the answers to them its no problem just tell us that. Also, can you move and use this power or is it always assault?

Also, you do need LOS. It is a shooting attack.

LOS to what? There's no target...

Ok, your original post is just whining. Now you have put in a rules question. I suggest you wait for the codex to be released to ask rules questions.

I'd just like to be the first to point out the silly RAW: So, each time the attack is used, since the line starts with the rune priest, the rune priest has to test for suicide.

solkan wrote:I'd just like to be the first to point out the silly RAW: So, each time the attack is used, since the line starts with the rune priest, the rune priest has to test for suicide.

Now thats intresting and what I would call balance, I like it.

broxus wrote:

solkan wrote:I'd just like to be the first to point out the silly RAW: So, each time the attack is used, since the line starts with the rune priest, the rune priest has to test for suicide.

Now thats intresting and what I would call balance, I like it.

It's also not true.

Ah yes, another update that makes mechanizing almost mandatory for competitive play... good thing GW vehicle kits are cheap! You've got to hand it to them though, they really know how to turn a profit.

Quit moaning DoW.
Yes, the attack is fething crazy, but at the end of the day its still a T4 3+ marine using it, so instant death at the start of the game is still an option.
Lets face it, every army takes anti-tank, put it to use and kill him early to save problems.

gwar, we are talking about RAW here. who cares whats true and false?

Gwar! wrote:Ok, your original post is just whining. Now you have put in a rules question. I suggest you wait for the codex to be released to ask rules questions.

Since the question marks were so hard to find in my post I pulled my questions out and put them in a beautiful Gwar rainbow colors for you to read.

Can this be used to snipe guys such as melta gunners, plasma gunners, ect?

Will bodyguards help protect IG characters from this?

This is of course if its written this way.

broxus wrote:

Gwar! wrote:Ok, your original post is just whining. Now you have put in a rules question. I suggest you wait for the codex to be released to ask rules questions.

Since the question marks were so hard to find in my post I pulled my questions out and put them in a beautiful Gwar rainbow colors for you to read.

Can this be used to snipe guys such as melta gunners, plasma gunners, ect?

Will bodyguards help protect IG characters from this?

This is of course if its written this way.

Thats not a very nice tone to be asking question, "sir"

Luna, in all fairness, Gwar did deserve that one


Brox: As i see it, yes, you can snipe specific models and characters from units.
Due to the somewhat unique way its fired it seems sensible to treat is like that.

JD21290 wrote:Luna, in all fairness, Gwar did deserve that one

I still stand by my original comment. He should have the courtesy to wait until the codex is bloody released before asking questions and whining. You don't see me asking about Dark Eldar 2057 rules do you?


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broxus wrote:

Gwar! wrote:Ok, your original post is just whining. Now you have put in a rules question. I suggest you wait for the codex to be released to ask rules questions.

Since the question marks were so hard to find in my post I pulled my questions out and put them in a beautiful Gwar rainbow colors for you to read.

Can this be used to snipe guys such as melta gunners, plasma gunners, ect?

Will bodyguards help protect IG characters from this?

This is of course if its written this way.

Ok, fine, if you want to be rude:
Can this be used to snipe guys such as melta gunners, plasma gunners, ect? Yes
Will bodyguards help protect IG characters from this? No

Seriously, until the codex is released and I can pour over the exact wording, I will not be sure. No-one outside of a GW will.

Gwar, then why post if you were not going to post anything helpful or worth reading?
Lots of people on here post questions about the SW dex, doesent give you the right to act like an arse.

JD21290 wrote:Gwar, then why post if you were not going to post anything helpful or worth reading?
Lots of people on here post questions about the SW dex, doesent give you the right to act like an arse.

I am not being an arse. I am saying that it is impossible to answer questions until the codex is ACTUALLY IN THE SHOPS AND WE CAN ALL BUY ONE. I just wanted to point out that doing so before it is released is rude.

Gwar! wrote:

JD21290 wrote:Luna, in all fairness, Gwar did deserve that one

I still stand by my original comment. He should have the courtesy to wait until the codex is bloody released before asking questions and whining. You don't see me asking about Dark Eldar 2057 rules do you?.

lol Gwar! i know . He just want to mess with you because you dont have the codex yet.
why do you think he kept flame baiting you with the rainbow colors?
He is trying to prod you on and you cant do much because no codex.

until the codex is released and I can pour over the exact wording, I will not be sure. No-one outside of a GW will.

Actually, people can easily copy wording from the dex, its public for reading in allmost every GW me thinks


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Gwar, we still need a game once you get those space pups
However, we play by 100% RAW (just for you)
and we play with 100% painted models (just for me)


Allthough, ive been painting up a libby for the last 2 days on my blog and havent really got anywhere lol

JD21290 wrote:

until the codex is released and I can pour over the exact wording, I will not be sure. No-one outside of a GW will.

Actually, people can easily copy wording from the dex, its public for reading in allmost every GW me thinks

Not in this third world country called Ireland. Also not everyone has the luxury of being next door to a GW (I happen to have to undertake a 3.5 hour round trip to go to my closest one). Furthermore, Humans are prone to, well, Human Error. Until we all have the codex to reference, we cannot be sure of the exact wording.


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JD21290 wrote:and we play with 100% painted models (just for me)

A basecoat counts as 100% right? I can't paint well

Yea,

Maybe I was somewhat rude, but hell its just Gwar and lets be honest I think he prefers the abuse and the rainbow thing was kind of funny. Also, I did get the answer I was looking for. Seems crazy powerful for 100pt character, though so Im hoping that its wrong, because for IG officers this will be a nightmare.

ALso, I got this discussion straight from BoLS so its going to be pretty much spot on.

Gwar, the GW witing team shows proof of human error
Next time im at my local ill take a pic of the wording just for you

LOL, no Gwar, 100% painted means what it says.
Ive never actually seen any painted models from you, get a blog up and get cracking
You know the rules very well, yet what use is that if you dont have a nice painted army to go with it?

JD21290 wrote:

until the codex is released and I can pour over the exact wording, I will not be sure. No-one outside of a GW will.

Actually, people can easily copy wording from the dex, its public for reading in allmost every GW me thinks

Have some consideration for your fellow posters, sir or madam!

There are poor, down trodden souls such as myself who live in states without a Games Workshop store, and in order to get to one would have to either cross an international border, or drive eight hours to Chicago *shudder*. Just imagine if you're one of the poor sods living in South Dakota, man. And think about the Japanese who are probably going to have to wait until the end of October to download their codex from GW!?!

Seems crazy powerful for 100pt character, though so Im hoping that its wrong, because for IG officers this will be a nightmare.

The power is somewhat stupidly strong, but every player has access to anti-tank weapons, just simply instant death him with a lascannon at the start of the game.
He has a gak profile, meaning killing him with anything isnt that hard.

I plan on using my tri-las pred as an assassin against priests now lol


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Edit: For feths sake! lol, ill drop the pic onto dakka once i get it then
Not sure if its legal, but GW have made enough from me over the last 10 years.

Gwar,

It is perfectly fine for someone to post a question from a codex that hasn't been released yet, especially as in this case where he has (apparently) quoted the rules in question.

While you or I may not have the codex in our possession there may be others that do (or have access to it) and all of us can give our opinion on the rules as he has posted them, obviously with the caveat that anything we say is based on only partial (unverified) information.

I do agree that there is little point on discussing whether the rules are over-powered or not because too many other factors are still unknown in order to make that kind of determination.


But I am going to go ahead and lock this thread because it seems to be already veering off-topic.

To the OP: I would say that based on the rules you've posted you would indeed be rolling per model actually hit by the power which does mean that individual models in a unit could essentially be 'sniped'.