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I am not sure if this would be considered normal everyday stuff, but FFS this is not the happy 50's our grandparents knew.

I will say that the kid getting punched is a soldier for sure, he just pushed the guy off and took what few hits were landed. I hope that he won't react in a negative way to all of this. I know that being surrounded by a group of angry people is incredibly scary, and ultimately there is very little logic to stop you from just going absolutely insane on them... just don't though I guess.




In all honesty, I am shocked that people are unaware that stuff like this happens so regularly. Kids are very harsh nowadays, and that can be directly attributed to a whole lot of factors, the most important of which being the parents and schools.

I know that there are quite a few younger folks on the forums here, and I would like to know if they happen to see this kind of stuff as regularly as I would assume. When I was in school, we had kids walking around with handguns and knives, let alone engaging in petty fist-fights, while being egged on by a group of hormone pumped rage-heads.

There is really no option for kids besides stop egging this stuff on, and I would look directly at the parents of these kids for answers. Pain is not something that proves anything... in the long run you are more likely to get the ham-hock beaten out of you for trying to run around like captain aggressive.

I agree. I got in a lot of fights in school, and I didn't start any of them. Most of the time, it was just some jerk trying to stroke their ego. Part of it is the parents, and part of it is 'reality tv'. Kids see ordinary people getting rich and famous on tv, while at the same time acting like total donkey-caves and they believe that that's the way to get ahead. The kid in that video should have fought back, because taking the moral high road is lost on such ignorant douchebags.

*sigh this is why the system never works.... the person at 1:54 - 2:05 doesnt know what she is talking about.
Its not about empathy or moral , its about the "herd" turning their rampage towards the by stander if they interfere or attempt to stop the situation.

So you let these things happen out of irrational fear?

Does this kind of stuff happen in Canada?

If a person was getting beaten up for no reason at all, you have a moral responsibility to attempt to stop the fight. Being spineless is not an excuse, these are children, and as far as I can tell children that are unarmed. Scary or not, this is a clear case of mob mentality overwhelming a rational sense of moral intervention.

To be entirely honest though, the way that the media has handled this kind of stuff, it only goes to show how little people care about each other anymore in this country. When no one stands up and fights back in a group, there is obviously a lack of moral integrity, and more importantly a lack of common sense principles.

I think you have a moral responsibility if you are in no danger of being adversely affected by the people involved in the altercation. For example, its pretty unlikely that an adult male has anything to fear from two unarmed 15-year-olds. But if you see a guy getting beaten by 2 or 3 armed men the matter of intervention seems supererogatory by dearth of the threat of bodily harm.

Irrational fear? How is it irrational to let the fear of being beaten up (which you know is likely cos its already happening to someone else) stop you?

Last time I was in this situation I tried to stop a kid beating up a guy I new in a corner shop up from my school (I was 15 back then). Got my nose broken for it getting in the way while everyone else just stood around. I understood them though. I didn't know how much of a psycho this kid was (throwing punches in a mad rage). He'd been expelled from our school too which is almost unheard of in a Catholic school as they're so lenient (most of 'em get let back in, he didn't thank god).

Not a bad idea to video it at the same time as breaking it up (if there is a couple of you) so you can pass the video on to the police as evidence.

Irrational fear? How is it irrational to let the fear of being beaten up (which you know is likely cos its already happening to someone else) stop you?

By what set of rules do you know that a crowd is going to automatically rush you? Furthermore, by what set of standards do you assume that a crowd of people has no role to play in the situation that you mentioned.

I get angry when I see a crowd standing around ONE PERSON attacking another... utter cowardice. The adults that do this same thing, standing and pointing are in no way better than kids doing the same thing, but louder. I have seen fights where one person was able to subdue three people, and I have personally intervened in various situations where someones life was in danger.

I understood them though. I didn't know how much of a psycho this kid was (throwing punches in a mad rage).

So if that "psycho killer child" had actually begun to smash that kids face in, would you still understand why people were standing around?

Apone wrote:Irrational fear? How is it irrational to let the fear of being beaten up (which you know is likely cos its already happening to someone else) stop you?

Last time I was in this situation I tried to stop a kid beating up a guy I new in a corner shop up from my school (I was 15 back then). Got my nose broken for it getting in the way while everyone else just stood around. I understood them though. I didn't know how much of a psycho this kid was (throwing punches in a mad rage). He'd been expelled from our school too which is almost unheard of in a Catholic school as they're so lenient (most of 'em get let back in, he didn't thank god).

Not a bad idea to video it at the same time as breaking it up (if there is a couple of you) so you can pass the video on to the police as evidence.

Agreed , not to mention the amount of gang now days . There are people constantly looking for excuse to beat others up .

@Wrexasaur: Irrational fear ? no , how about a very realistic situation?
My cousin isnt exactly a gang member , but that doesnt mean he doesnt have friends in gangs .
And that certainly didnt stop some other gang from comming after us while we waited for bus one day.
Sure he came with a knife and my cousin kicked him in the face , but that doesnt mean im not scared that next time
they'll come with a gun instead.

No , not irrational fear . Just situations we put up with that you guys assume we dont encounter.

So everyone is so afraid of this type of vengeance that they would sooner see someone beaten to death in front of them?

I am not talking about individuals with weapons here, I am talking about lethal assaults that could easily lead to someone being put in the hospital for a very long time.

I would consider letting someone get away with anything they wanted just because they have the capacity to kill (news to me...) is much worse than fighting back and standing your ground. I am not promoting vigilante justice here, just community cohesion to put it lightly.

Lord of the Flies speaks wonders about this situation, and we are not on some sort of desert island here.

Dogma hit it on the spot, pretty much.

Hero's don't get rewarded, and you intervening is likely to get you hurt, killed, or arrested just the same.

Stand back, call police, and if there's really no other choice try to intervene but DO NOT put yourself in harms way. Altruism is so 1990's.

Well if it's a crowd verses one then it is obviously far easier to intervene.
What I was referring to is you taking on one other person who is violently attacking someone. So it's just you against them if you pull them off and they turn on you.

It's all very situational, but morally you have to try and stop these things.

Wrexasaur wrote:So everyone is so afraid of this type of vengeance that they would sooner see someone beaten to death in front of them?

I am not talking about individuals with weapons here, I am talking about lethal assaults that could easily lead to someone being put in the hospital for a very long time.

I would consider letting someone get away with anything they wanted just because they have the capacity to kill (news to me...) is much worse than fighting back and standing your ground. I am not promoting vigilante justice here, just community cohesion to put it lightly.

I cant tell you what is right or what is wrong , and in what situation will it be safe for by standers to attempt to stop the beating.

But i can tell you truth of something that happend here , in vancouver.

During new years , a man getting off the bus was beat up by atleast 8 gang members.
There are police stationed all over the fire works viewing area , around 2 police per block , both sides of the street.

Even the police themselves made NO attempt to stop the beating , the gang dropped weapon and ran ( some didnt )
beside the bleeding men you see crow bars , and few knives .

I was determined to not let them get away with it , and i ran on the opposite side of the crowd ( the line was going to sky train station )
eventually i caught up with them and saw 3-4 of the gang members trying to blend into the crowd / line for the train station.
I went to the police and pointed at the later weapons they dropped on the street , and told the police exactly who dropped it.

The police refused to take any action , they said they dont have the right to. I screamed at the police telling them
just take the gang guy here and i promise the finger print will match.

But no , nothing .

If I saw one person fighting another person, I would just call the cops. But fighting and brutally beating are two different things entirely.

I would have to walk away if I really felt that the person could pose a threat to an individual running up from behind, people are not made out of metal.

Call the police and walk away, but this does raise some circumstantial questions for me. In this day and age of cameras, no one can get away with this stuff easily anymore. The important thing is that the perps in this case were punished quickly.

I was a bit concerned when the Bus-driver did not enter the fray after a few seconds. Funny thing was that the Bus seemed to be one of the only "safe" places when I was a kid. If you were on the bus, that driver was damn angry because of your whiny asses, and any craziness would have you dropped off the bus in a jiffy.

Luna wrote:The police refused to take any action , they said they dont have the right to. I screamed at the police telling them
just take the gang guy here and i promise the finger print will match.

But no , nothing .

Those are some incompetent police if I have ever heard of any. That is the kind of thing that is more than enough to strip you of your badge.

In reality, why in the feth were they there then? Decoration?

Wrexasaur wrote:If I saw one person fighting another person, I would just call the cops. But fighting and brutally beating are two different things entirely.

I would have to walk away if I really felt that the person could pose a threat to an individual running up from behind, people are not made out of metal.

Call the police and walk away, but this does raise some circumstantial questions for me. In this day and age of cameras, no one can get away with this stuff easily anymore. The important thing is that the perps in this case were punished quickly.

I was a bit concerned when the Bus-driver did not enter the fray after a few seconds. Funny thing was that the Bus seemed to be one of the only "safe" places when I was a kid. If you were on the bus, that driver was damn angry because of your whiny asses, and any craziness would have you dropped off the bus in a jiffy.

Well maybe they are on the middle of the high way or something.

Wrexasaur wrote:
Those are some incompetent police if I have ever heard of any. That is the kind of thing that is more than enough to strip you of your badge.

In reality, why in the feth were they there then? Decoration?

You would think so right... i know everyone at the scene was disgusted , well we were scared and certainly felt vulnerable.
You know the worst part about vancouver police? They take pride in having lower crime rate than USA , and use "numbers"
to determine whether the crime rate was severe to have stricter enforcing laws.

Basically , with so much immigrants , there are tones of asian gangs moving in . And the mentality
of RCMP is like " hullloooo , would you like to have a cup of tea "

Shamfrit wrote:

Hero's don't get rewarded,

That's not quite true. In the Uk, at least, a judge/similar can in fact offer a reward from the public purse to individuals who they feel have stepped up and served the community. Happens less and less these days as 99% of people sell their tale to papers etc for quite sizable sums. It can be very profitable.

The USA had a gang violence problem in the 1950s. The UK had a gang violence problem (Mods vs Rockers) in the 60s. Then there were football hooligans in the 70s and National Front in the 80s.

I am reminded of the Roman Chariot Race riots of the 100s.

While regrettable, this kind of despicable behaviour is not new.

turns out people really like hitting people...

http://www.spike.com/video/why-teachers/2800311

and schools are a place were they get the group think its ok.