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Mutilatin' Mad Dok




Indiana

Well at least for another week...

"Governor delays Ohio execution after vein troubles

By STEPHEN MAJORS (AP) – 7 hours ago

LUCASVILLE, Ohio — Problems finding a usable vein during an attempt to execute an Ohio inmate have halted his lethal injection for a week, but one death penalty scholar says possible legal challenges could further delay his return to the death chamber.

Gov. Ted Strickland on Tuesday issued a one-week reprieve to Romell Broom, 53, who spent more than two hours awaiting execution as technicians searched for a vein strong enough to deliver the three-drug lethal injection. The issue arose three years after Ohio revised its lethal injection protocol due to problems with another inmate's IV.

No Ohio governor has issued a similar last-minute reprieve since the state resumed executions in 1999.

Richard Dieter, director of the nonprofit Death Penalty Information Center, said he knows of only one inmate who was subjected to more than one execution.

A first attempt to execute Willie Francis in 1946 by electrocution in Louisiana did not work. He was returned to death row for nearly a year while the U.S. Supreme Court considered whether a second electrocution would be unconstitutional.

Dieter said he expects legal challenges will mean Broom will not face execution again in a week's time.

"I think this is going to be challenged, whether under our standards of decency subjecting someone to multiple executions is cruel and unusual ... whether this is in effect experimenting on human beings, whether or not they're sure what works in Ohio," he said.

Broom was sentenced to die for the rape and slaying of a 14-year-old Tryna Middleton after abducting her in Cleveland in September 1984 as she walked home from a Friday night football game with two friends.

Prisons director Terry Collins said the execution team eventually told him they didn't believe Broom's veins would hold if the execution reached the point when the lethal drugs would be administered.

Collins said he contacted the governor at about 4 p.m. to let him know about the difficulties and request a reprieve.

A medical evaluation Monday had determined that veins in Broom's right arm appeared accessible. Collins said that before Broom's next scheduled execution, the team would try to determine how to resolve the problem encountered Tuesday

About an hour into Tuesday's execution effort, a lawyer for Broom, Tim Sweeney, sent an e-mail and fax to Ohio Supreme Court Chief Justice Thomas J. Moyer asking him to end the procedure. Sweeney said continuing the effort would deny Broom his constitutional rights against cruel and unusual punishment and violate Ohio law that requires lethal injection to be quick and painless.

The team had started working on Broom, in a holding cell 17 steps from the execution chamber, at about 2 p.m., four hours after his execution was originally scheduled. That initial delay was due to a final federal appeals request.

After about an hour, Broom tried to help. He turned onto his left side, slid rubber tubing up his left arm, began moving the arm up and down and flexed and closed his fingers. The execution team was able to access a vein, but it collapsed when technicians tried to insert saline fluid.

Broom turned onto his back and covered his face with both hands. His torso heaved up and down and his feet shook. He wiped his eyes and was handed a roll of toilet paper, which he used to wipe his brow.

The team tried to insert shunts through veins in Broom's legs, causing him to appear to grimace. A member of the execution team patted him on the back.

Broom, who did not have any witnesses present, requested that one of his attorneys, Adele Shank, come to the witness area. She asked to speak with Broom but was told that once the process started, it's protocol that attorneys can't have contact with their client.

"I want to know what Romell wants," Shank told a prison official, who told her that he was being cooperative.

"He's always cooperative," responded Shank. "I want to know what he wants me to do."

Collins said the difficulty in the process "absolutely, positively" does not shake his faith in the state's lethal injection procedure.

The problems prompted the American Civil Liberties Union of Ohio to ask state officials to immediately halt executions.

"Ohio's execution system is fundamentally flawed. If the state is going to take a person's life, they must ensure that it is done as humanely as possible," ACLU Ohio counsel Carrie Davis said. "With three botched executions in as many years, it's clear that the state must stop and review the system entirely before another person is put to death."

Florida has also experienced problems with lethal injection.

The state halted executions after the death of Angel Diaz in December 2006 was delayed for 34 minutes because needles were accidentally pushed through his veins, causing the chemicals to go into his muscles instead. Florida resumed executions in 2008 under new procedures.

Problems accessing veins also delayed Ohio executions in 2006 and 2007.

In 2006, the execution of Joseph Clark was delayed for more than an hour after the team failed to properly attach an IV, an incident that led to changes in Ohio's execution process.

The state also had difficulty finding the veins of inmate Christopher Newton, whose May 2007 execution was delayed nearly two hours.

In that case, the state said the delay was caused by team members taking their time as opposed to an unforeseen problem.

Since Clark, the state's execution rules have allowed team members to take as much time as they need to find the best vein for the IVs that carry the three lethal chemicals.

Ohio has executed 32 men since Wilford Berry in 1999, an execution slightly delayed also because of problems finding a vein.

Associated Press Writer Andrew Welsh-Huggins in Columbus contributed to this report.

Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. "

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About to eat your Avatar...

You might want to quote that text just to be clear, kind of a bit more formal if you like.

Interesting story though, I always chuckle a bit at the ridiculous facade of humanity donned by the executioners of todays age.

I mean come the feth on... I know that electrocution and hanging are not pretty... but how in the feth is injecting a bunch of chemicals any more humane? The logic behind all of this is infused profusely with moralistic jargon.

If Wrex were on death row, they would sure as hell be playing hang-man before his execution, lay down the law, and I tell you what.

Reality checks are always refreshing.


 
   
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Indiana

Wrexasaur wrote:You might want to quote that text just to be clear, kind of a bit more formal if you like.


Thanks, completely forget.

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About to eat your Avatar...

Speaking of electrocution (heh heh heh... meh) the psychiatric industry has taken electro-shock therapy back under it's wing (which oddly enough, seems to be one of a very sparse handful of methods that actually work) with the added bonus of you not having to be totally freaked out by it.

By distancing yourself from people as a society, you inevitably make the problem much worse. Looking at people like any other animal is just a bit obtuse... just a bit . I won't go to deep into my opinion of the penal system, but in a nutshell, I think it is THE contributing factor to crime rates in the U.S. A system that provides a safe haven for career criminals, and furthermore a system that sets people up to fail and epically so. As soon as a person enters the penal system they are more or less a cost to society for the rest of their lives, and for reasons that are obvious to anyone with half of a half of a half of a... glitched out there, sorry... half of a brain.


 
   
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Heck, if it's of importance that the death be painless then why not just use a good old fashioned firing squad? No way you can worm your way out of that one!

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the most humane execution is nitrogen Asphyxiation.
You just fall asleep...

   
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Norristown, PA

Why do we need to treat someone on death row humanely at all? Can't they just use a bullet? It's quick and cheap. Sure it's messy, but they can just give the janitor some oxy clean to take care of it.

 
   
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About to eat your Avatar...

TBH it is because people are squeamish pansies who like to drink tea and eat tree-bark... or something.

I think that approaching this with a humane touch is a sincere act of compassion, which is sorely needed (at least to some degree) in our society.

What is not sincere, and in fact obviously disingenuous, is the part where people pretend that our current methods are any more humane than a bullet to the brain.

I can think of at least three reasons why something like nitrogen asphyxiation would be the best option, and all of them address the logical side of this problem.

The days of heads on pikes are long since over, and all dramatic symbolism conveyed by death sentences is long since lost on the U.S. community at large. With so many oogie-boogies, it is no wonder that people fail to recognize the real threats to their well being... which rarely include some sort of mass-murderer or what have you.


 
   
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Necros, come on... that's a rotten job for a janitor.
That clean-up should go to a "scared straight" program, let some random 11 year old mop up the brains.
The future members of Sociopathic Americas for Equality (S.A.F.E.) demand it.
   
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I'd imagine the best way to kill someone quick would be one bullet to the back of the head... quick, and guaranteed to work. firing squad I would agree to be inhumane, because if they all miss vital spots the guy would bleed out, which would be slow.

Personally, I think that anyone sentenced to death doesn't really deserve a quick death, but thats just personal opinion... as long as the guys i'm fine with it.
   
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Hanging, guillotine, firing squad, gas chamber, the axe, electric chair, lethal injection, poison, strangulation, trampling under carpets, it can't be beyond American know-how to devise a quick and painless method.

Maybe that student from Hopkins should get the gig.

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About to eat your Avatar...

Horst wrote:Personally, I think that anyone sentenced to death doesn't really deserve a quick death, but thats just personal opinion... as long as the guys i'm fine with it.


I share this sentiment to some degree, and by this same note I do generally regard the death penalty as a means to an end... in many more ways than one.

In essence you are deeming a person unworthy of life, for whatever reason, and by this definition, any acts committed to end that life should be done so with the clear and present intent of... doing so.

When you add pain and suffering into it, the whole formula becomes a recipe for moral disaster in many more ways than one. Whether the people who were directly affected by the crime committed feel that pain should be extended is really quite irrelevant to the fact that the person is set to die... not suffer endlessly and in a perverse fashion quite frankly.

If and/or when we have a society where all executions are public (refer to the middle ages for that one right tharr...) there is going to be an obvious need for such extreme actions, and seriously seriously though... that type of demonic splaying of the moral fabric to meet ones ends is just bad... in so many more ways than one.


 
   
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Horst wrote:I'd imagine the best way to kill someone quick would be one bullet to the back of the head... quick, and guaranteed to work. firing squad I would agree to be inhumane, because if they all miss vital spots the guy would bleed out, which would be slow.

Personally, I think that anyone sentenced to death doesn't really deserve a quick death, but thats just personal opinion... as long as the guys i'm fine with it.


Firing squads don't work that way. Only one guy gets handed the rifle with the live round, the rest are blanks. By doing so it supposed to help alleviate the guilt of the shooter as he is going to be thinking to himself "I know my gun had the blank and not the live round." The members apparently KNOW there is one live round and all rest blanks but none of them know who actually fired the lethal round.

--The whole concept of government granted and government regulated 'permits' and the accompanying government mandate for government approved firearms 'training' prior to being blessed by government with the privilege to carry arms in a government approved and regulated manner, flies directly in the face of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.

“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”


 
   
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I didn't actually consider the guilt of the shooter...

ok, new plan. Every generation, we take the sickest and most demented murderer out there, and keep him alive as an executioner. bladed weapons only, we don't want him escaping.

nobody has to worry about being guilty!
   
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"Prisons director Terry Collins said the execution team eventually told him they didn't believe Broom's veins would hold if the execution reached the point when the lethal drugs would be administered. "

So, he might die as a result? Hmmmm. Either the execution team was dogging it, or the procedure has become so sacrosanct that sight of the trees has become more important than the forest of the dead buddy is supposed to be visiting. Maybe strapped to rockets that are shot out of the sky by Patriot missiles or lazer beams would be better. It would definitely be more metal.
   
 
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