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This one is for a friend. Is this list any good for a GT thats supposed to bring joy foremost and some succes in gaming as well?

250 Bloodthirster
100 Herald of Tzeentch - Chariot, BoT, MoS
100 Herald of Tzeentch - Chariot, BoT, MoS
200 4 Bloodcrushers - all upgrades for woundallocationgoodness
105 3 Flamers
128 8 Bloodletters
105 7 Plaguebearers
158 9 Horrors - Changeling
64 4 Screamers
160 Soulgrinder - Tongue
160 Soulgrinder - Phlegm
170 Daemon Prince - Iron Hide, Wings

1700 points exactly for the Dutch GT

Any comments?

Cheers, Cilithan

The Screamers sound like an oddball unit, might want to drop it.

As far as I can care, Bloodcrushers can be drop and add 6 fiends of slaneesh w/ might. Cost 190.

the rest of the points can be used to add bolt to the flamers, and the horrors. blessing for the bloodthirster is also cheap. should be good.

First, there's a typo in the codex - Bloodthirsters always come with Unholy Might, and cost a base 270.

Seriously, it's like extra armor and smoke in the 3rd and 4th ed Marines - never leave home without it.

Second, screamers are junk. Get rid of them.

Third, wings on a DP are way too expensive. Those 60 points are better spent elsewhere.

Fourth, the bloodletter squad is too small. You need at least 12, if not more, to have enough models to survive the round of incoming fire they're almost guaranteed to take.

Fifth, your army could probably benefit from at least one more icon, probably with the plaguebearers.

Thanks for the feedback mates. Very helpfull. I'll look into it.

Im a bit confused about the Wings on the Daemon Prince though. The way Id say it goes is that the DP deepstrikes, the opponent moves away and the DP never catches anything. Arent Wings almost mandatory to make sure it actually gets in assault the turn following the DS?

Cilithan

I think you'll see after a few games that real estate is extremely important within the 6 x 4 board and that playing the daemon army as a whole across that real estate lets you destroy opponents armies. Fixing on trading units with only half an army at once versus an opponents full army is a bad plan.

True that wings help DP get into CC quick, but what if your DP is concentrated in shooting? He's still a beast in CC since the wings nor the shooting abilities don't really affect it's CC capability and he can shoot damn well w/ BS5 and 3str5ap3 shots and 1str8ap1 shot. Might not enough from 1 DP, but if you bring 3, people will have to be afraid.

and FIENDs, please bring them, let other taste the awesomeness of fiends.... no noobcrushers, please.

Edit: also, your army is random enough, why bring icons? Sorry centurion, I have to disagree about icons. Icons dictate where you gonna put your deepstrikers. You bought it and you don't use it, waste of points. You bought it and you used it, opponent can predict already where the next reserve stuffs will land. In my army, I have none. Trust your scatter dice or just choose a safe spot. Even, freakin dangerous terrain is good enough, you have invuls anyway. I used to take icons, and I was never got dissapointed. Now, I never use Icons, and I was amazed of how better my army has become.

Icons can be useful, because they open up options. Especially with the flamers, bloodletters, and plaguebearers, they let you bring in reserves a lot closer to the enemy than you could otherwise. More than 2 at 1500 is probably overkill, but the ability to guarnatee landing spots close-in can be extremely valuable.

Centurian have you authored a tutorial or article on a demon tacticalguide?

Im with others; bring Fiends, the 12" charge is sweet. They might be easier to get rid off then BC's, but are also more dangerous with 6 attacks on the charge and rending. It's also another unit that could possibly kill tanks and with Hit and Run they wont get stuck in combats you don't want (BC's vs Walkers for instance).

I'd rather have a Bolt of Tzeentch in the shooting units then a unit of Screamers; they have 1 attack each needing a 4 or 6 to hit vs tanks, not convincing. Vs all other units they look almost useless to me.

I don't like Tongue on a Soulgrinder because of it's BS3. If you want Tongue get a DP with Mark of Tzeentch + Bolt IMO. But that would leave you with 1 Soulgrinder; taking all the opponents AT firepower :(

I would drop the Flamers and the Screamers to strenghten other units; bigger troop squads, Might on the Thirster, Bolt on the Horrors etc.

Frazzled wrote:Centurian have you authored a tutorial or article on a demon tacticalguide?

Thought about it...but free time is at a premium right now since I decided to go back to school. Heck, I think I've played maybe twice in the last two months, not counting the Ard Boyz semis.

OKley dokley. Understand about not playing. once in a month here (although playing twice in one week this time-strange).