How would you like the world to be.

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**garret**

Ok so in 2 of my classes we wrote an essay about how we would rule the world.
im not going to go into deatail about mine but a discussion in class brought up a question that i would have liked to see some opinions on
would you want to live in a wolrd where
A: People live without any freedom or the right to vote but do to that there is no poverty
OR
B: people live in a world where there are tons of personal liberties but that meant poverty.

**Shadowbrand**

I'd like the world to be under my control.

**Khornholio**

Liberty or death?

A supersize Liberty, please.

**Emperors Faithful**

*cross arms*
No POVERTY!

**Roze**

liberty ftw

**dogma**

Absolute poverty (not having the necessities of life), or relative poverty (not having as many resource when compared to the rest of the world)?

**Emperors Faithful**

If you chose B, you're selfish.
If you chose A, good on ya! You're willing to make a few sacrifices for the 'greater good'.

**BrookM**

Happiness for all. Wait, make that a triple-dose for the grognards.

**Emperors Faithful**

grognards?

**Waaagh_Gonads**

Free men are not equal.
Equal men are not free.

B.

**Frazzled**

Mercy is for the weak. We do not train to be merciful here.

**Wrexasaur**

So we all get to eat and drink... but we have to do it while literally living in tiny boxes?

Think closet space I suppose, and then you redefine poverty and BAM!!! Shake and bake baby, back to square one

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dogma wrote:Absolute poverty (not having the necessities of life), or relative poverty (not having as many resource when compared to the rest of the world)?

Pssst... it is a false dichotomy... ahem.

**warpcrafter**

I want the world to be like it is on Metalocalypse. All hail Dethklok!

**Velour_Fog**

I got dejavu when reading this thread... whoa..

**Wrexasaur**

Totally man... Totally...

**Velour_Fog**

Dejavu on that, too!

They're changing the matrix!!

**Little lord Fauntleroy**

I would very much like Civilisation to be cast down, and burnt upon the Pyre of the False gods, every living soul sacrificed to the doom that waits across the veil.

But hey, what do I know.

**OverbossGhurzubMoga**

warpcrafter wrote:I want the world to be like it is on Metalocalypse. All hail Dethklok!

Second this opinion.

My answer to the original question. feth the greater good. No one complains when they have roof over their head..and if they do, torture them and make them an example.

**Emperors Faithful**

If you chose A, then you're probably hoping to be rich and living the good life. Ignoring the people starving outside. You do whatever the feth you want, whenever the feth you want to. There are no morals, no boundries, you 'liberites' allow you to ignore these at the expense of others. For lack of a better word, you are selfish.

**warpcrafter**

Emperors Faithful wrote:If you chose A, then you're probably hoping to be rich and living the good life. Ignoring the people starving outside. You do whatever the feth you want, whenever the feth you want to. There are no morals, no boundries, you 'liberites' allow you to ignore these at the expense of others. For lack of a better word, you are selfish.

Selfishness is a survival trait. Of course, our ability to help each other is what allowed us to prevail as a species, so there needs to be balance. And all the meth-dealing welfare cheats should be made to move to Somalia and spend the rest of their lives irrigating the desert.

**Wrexasaur**

People are allowed to be selfish... because if they have the power, what are you planning to do about it? *turns on microphone*

If you choose B.) you obviously think that a roof will make your life complete... because that in effect, is the last thing you will get after the bowl of rice you have to share with a hundred thousand billion people. In essence you are way too compassionate, and your breath smells funny too.

Beyond the more obvious parts though, someone will always be selfish, so the whole idea is just strange. A better world is most definitely possible, but offering

A.) Do you want Communism?

-or-

B.) Do you want Anarchy/Free market economies/ I don't even really know what the feth this means?

is... well it really speaks for itself... that may be the reason I got in so many arguments with my ever so unionized teachers when in school.

**Emperors Faithful**

Anyhow, a sucessful A) scenario is simply impossible. People are just too darn greedy.

**Orkeosaurus**

Emperors Faithful wrote:If you chose A, then you're probably hoping to be rich and living the good life. Ignoring the people starving outside. You do whatever the feth you want, whenever the feth you want to. There are no morals, no boundries, you 'liberites' allow you to ignore these at the expense of others. For lack of a better word, you are selfish.

1. Assuming that everyone who voted B expects to be unaffected by the poverty is making a strawman out of their position.

2. The poll didn't say there were "no morals or boundaries", it said there were tons of personal liberties. There's no reason to believe that means complete lawlessness and havoc; to the contrary that would render the poll worthless. Answer B wouldn't even be a contender.

3. You have A and B mixed up.

**Fateweaver**

I want to vote for the option that lets me nail Angelina Jolie and Taylor Swift on a regular basis in a consensual manner (and Pink too, she's hot).

So I choose whatever option that scenario would most likely occur in.

**grizgrin**

Realistically (yeah, yeah, yeah; I know that the scenario throws realism right out the window. But this is my response to the question. Don't like it? Hit my ignore button), there is no choice. If you have A for long enough, then they will eventually take back B.

**warpcrafter**

So the choices given are A): The Eldar empire just before the birth of Slaanesh

OR

B): The Imperium where everything is falling apart a lot slower.

Pfffttt!!!

**Emperors Faithful**

@Orkeosaurus:

1) The whole argument of A is that there IS NO poverty. That you sacrifice your personal liberaties for the good of all.

2) You have the right to do whatever the feth you want. Including fething up other peoples lives. That's basically what a 'ton' of personal liberties involves. An argument for a rapist would be 'but I have the RIGHT to screw who I choose'.

3) Thanks. -_*

**Fateweaver**

4) I have the right to consensual sex with Angelina and Taylor, at the same time!

Ahem. Poor and able to do what I want or wealthy but unable to do jack?

I choose poor and able to do what I want cuz I'm TFG.

Can I combine 1 and 4?

**JEB_Stuart**

Emperors Faithful wrote:
1) The whole argument of A is that there IS NO poverty. That you sacrifice your personal liberaties for the good of all.

Of course this idea rests on the assumption that poverty is an absolute. In reality poverty is relative. The poor in the US are hardly comparable to the poor in Somalia. If everyone is equally squalid then there really is no poverty. Don't be too quick to jump on ideas because they sound good, you have to examine the possibilities behind them. Everything could potentially be much worse.

Emperors Faithful wrote:2) You have the right to do whatever the feth you want. Including fething up other peoples lives. That's basically what a 'ton' of personal liberties involves. An argument for a rapist would be 'but I have the RIGHT to screw who I choose'.

I don't know of anyone who would happily gak someones life up just cuz they can....And where did the rapist thing come from?

**Fateweaver**

I still personally like #4 the best.