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The rules for Telion's "Eye of Vengeance" are as follows:

Page 88, Codex: Space Marines

"Wounds caused by Telion's shooting attacks are allocated by his controlling player, rather than the opposing player."

In my reading, this supports that the player controlling Telion still has to follow normal wound allocation rules: if he gets two wounding hits, he would have to place them on two different models, assuming there is more than one model in the target unit.

However, I have also seen players who play that his rules mean that you don't have to follow any of the wound allocation rules, and can stack the wounds he causes any way you want.

So, how do you play it?

A.

It breaks no rules.

If there are enough wounds to wrap round he may allocate twice to the same model.

If there are not enough wounds to wrap round he must choose another target.


(face palm smiley rap=wrap)

Tri wrote:If there are enough wounds to rap round he may allocate twice to the same model.

If there are not enough wounds to rap round he must choose another target.

This too.

I was assuming it was him alone.

I voted B. Answer A creates an issue because there's no rule telling us who gets to allocate wounds first: telion or the opponent (which can be significant if non-telion models cause nonrending wounds and Telion rends). My stance on the issue is basically summarized in this thread from a few days ago.

-GK

Tri wrote:If there are enough wounds to rap round he may allocate twice to the same model.

If there are not enough wounds to rap round he must choose another target.

Telion doesn't really strike me as Rap artist.

Ok that was bad, haha. As for the topic, I voted A. In terms of wound allocation order, as far as I know the rule is that all wounds from the units attacks are done at the same time, and obviously say nothing about this specific scenario. I would play it that Telion gets to allocate his wounds first and then the rest of the unit follows afterwards (allocated by the opposing player).

Tri wrote:If there are enough wounds to rap round he may allocate twice to the same model.

If there are not enough wounds to rap round he must choose another target.

I chose the first, and I agree with the quoted statement.

I preemptively agree with Gwar.

@ Revelator, nice useless post count +1 you got there.

@ op: I voted A. Your poll is obviously biased towards that answer as the other is not even a serious answer, so the point of the poll is questionable.

The Revelator wrote:I preemptively agree with Gwar.

I am glad you do Also Sigged

But anyway, Tellion follows the normal Wound Allocation rules, the only change is he gets to pick where his wounds go. He does not have to pick first or second, he can pick whenever he wants.

For example, a unit of 4 Lasgun Guardsmen and a Commissar are pewpew'd by Telions scouts and cause 7 wounds (5 Normal, 1 Normal Telion, 1 Rending Tellion). Tellion Says "I assign 1 rending wound to the Commissar". The IG player then Assigns 4 wounds to the guardsmen, at which point Tellion goes "I now assign my second wound to the Commissar." The IG player then goes to assign the rest as normal.

This is the only way to break no rule. If Tellion is going first, he cannot assign to who he wants in the event of a wrap around (and thus breaking his rule) and if he goes last, the opponent can ensure some models are not eligible to receive wounds (again, breaking his rule).

Your poll is obviously biased towards that answer as the other is not even a serious answer, so the point of the poll is questionable.

I agree it could be worded better, but it's simple enough to get the gist of.

Option A is Telion must follow the restrictions on wound allocation.
Option B is Telion doesn't have to follow the restrictions on wound allocation.

While I've voted for B because I think option A violates Telion's rule, I also like Gwar's Option C: Telion must follow the restrictions for wound allocation, but he may allocate any of his wounds at any point in the wound allocation process.

-GK

I voted b Because imo it doesnt say anything about following normal wound allocation It just states that he gets to allocate his wounds. Specific trumps general right?

I voted B because I think they're just trying to give him the master sniper rule the Vindicaire has.

zombie78 wrote:I voted b Because imo it doesnt say anything about following normal wound allocation It just states that he gets to allocate his wounds. Specific trumps general right?

Only in the case they conflict. Here you can play by both rules allowing the player controlling Telion assign his wounds, to the same target twice if the normal wound allocation rules would allow for it.

Has to be A. It doesn't say to change the normal procedure for allocating wounds, just that it's done by the player controlling Telion.

Dracos wrote:

zombie78 wrote:I voted b Because imo it doesnt say anything about following normal wound allocation It just states that he gets to allocate his wounds. Specific trumps general right?

Only in the case they conflict. Here you can play by both rules allowing the player controlling Telion assign his wounds, to the same target twice if the normal wound allocation rules would allow for it.

But your not following telions rules for being able to assign wounds your following half telions and half rule book.

Key is that you are allowed to assign wounds per Telion and assigning wounds is defined in the BGB. So you follow both as I described. IMHO of course.

As a controller of a unit being shot, I get to assign wounds to the mentioned unit.

Does this mean I can allocate all the wounds to one model in a multi-model unit?

zombie78 wrote:

Dracos wrote:

zombie78 wrote:I voted b Because imo it doesnt say anything about following normal wound allocation It just states that he gets to allocate his wounds. Specific trumps general right?

Only in the case they conflict. Here you can play by both rules allowing the player controlling Telion assign his wounds, to the same target twice if the normal wound allocation rules would allow for it.

But your not following telions rules for being able to assign wounds your following half telions and half rule book.

The very meaning of "wounds" itself breaks down if you don't use any rulebook rule at all.

Voted A, but we play Gwar's option C anyway.

So then how is this affected by the "Remove whole models first" rule... with a unit containing a multi-wound model, if Telion decides the first wound?

Scalp wrote:So then how is this affected by the "Remove whole models first" rule... with a unit containing a multi-wound model, if Telion decides the first wound?

Simple unit doesn't matter they're all the same. Complex unit you alocate to a group if the group has a wound member he must take a wound from Telion or some one else in the unit. even then you still roll for the group as a hole and remove the wounds from the wound model first

Alkasyn wrote:Voted A, but we play Gwar's option C anyway.

"Gwar's option" is inline with option A assuming it's more than only Telion firing at the squad.

willydstyle wrote:

Alkasyn wrote:Voted A, but we play Gwar's option C anyway.

"Gwar's option" is inline with option A assuming it's more than only Telion firing at the squad.

I agree, however it does seem that a lot of people think Tellion has to go First or last, which is just not true.

Gwar! wrote:

willydstyle wrote:

Alkasyn wrote:Voted A, but we play Gwar's option C anyway.

"Gwar's option" is inline with option A assuming it's more than only Telion firing at the squad.

I agree, however it does seem that a lot of people think Tellion has to go First or last, which is just not true.

Yes, thanks for clearing that up for people

Telion gets to assign his wounds. You may need to collaborate with your opponent a bit in order to not break the rules.