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Is it possible to use the "Gate of Infinity" when the Psyker (and) attached squad are deployed in a transport vehicle;for example a Razorback?

I see no reason why he could not.

I looked at this a couple of weeks ago when I wanted to do it in a game, and it looks to me also like it's legal.

We know psychic powers can be used from inside a transport, and the only requirement for the librarian is that it be the movement phase. So I haven't been able to find any rule or restriction that would prevent the librarian from gating himself and his unit out of the transport to any spot within 24" of the edge of the transport model's hull.

Makes for a potentially powerful movement tactic.

If they are embarked, wouldn't the transport be moved as well?

No, because you remove the character and any unit he is with are "removed from the tabletop". So unless "unit he is with" includes an embarked transport vehicle, then no.

More problematic is the phrase "removed from the tabletop". If you're in a transport, you're already off the tabletop. Granted, you are zero inches from the tabletop for measuring purposes, but you are still not considered to be on the tabletop.

Ludovic wrote:No, because you remove the character and any unit he is with are "removed from the tabletop". So unless "unit he is with" includes an embarked transport vehicle, then no.

More problematic is the phrase "removed from the tabletop". If you're in a transport, you're already off the tabletop. Granted, you are zero inches from the tabletop for measuring purposes, but you are still not considered to be on the tabletop.

Actually, you are. It is stated that any range involving the unit is measured to the hull. If they were not on the tabletop, they could not have a range measured to them at all.

Where does it say that they are considered to be on the tabletop? I genuinely want to know. I am not referring to the rule about measuring ranges.

Ludovic wrote:Where does it say that they are considered to be on the tabletop? I genuinely want to know. I am not referring to the rule about measuring ranges.

It's called deduction. If thy were not on the table, you could not measure a range to them under any circumstances, so the rule about measuring a range to them while in a transport would be pointless if they were off the table.

The rules overall aren't clear on whether an embarked model is "on the tabletop" or "off the tabletop." They act as though on the tabletop for some purposes, like measuring range and shooting, but not on the tabletop for other purposes, like being targeted by shooting.

So unless the rule says specifically that a unit is either on or off the tabletop, you can't really draw a conclusion one way or the other (the fallacy of drawing a conclusion without evidence is called the "argument from ignorance").

So that does create a problem for the reading of the rule. The tabletop question also makes me wonder if a librarian can gate onto the table from reserve? Is a librarian allowed to disembark and then gate? Maybe this isn't as cut-and-dried as I thought.

Flavius Infernus wrote:The tabletop question also makes me wonder if a librarian can gate onto the table from reserve?

If he has not passed his reserve roll, he can't as he is not on the table. Likewise for having passed but not moved on, as he begins just off the table and has to move on.

Is a librarian allowed to disembark and then gate?

No, it must be used "At the start of the Librarians Movement Phase". If he disembarks, its not the start of his movement phase anymore so he cannot use Gate.

What happens if a deep strike mishap occurs and the librarian and his unit roll a 3 or 4, and are delayed a turn? Do they go back to the transport, or stay off table in "ether?"

If they roll a 3 or 4 5 or 6 they are placed in reserve, just like the mishap says.

Flavius Infernus wrote:The rules overall aren't clear on whether an embarked model is "on the tabletop" or "off the tabletop."

Crystal clear actually. Embarking paragraph of the rule book, page 66. "When the unit embarks, it is removed from the table and placed aside,..."

The models are off the table, and a rule is given for how to handle measurements to and from an embarked unit, which is to measure from the hull of the vehicle they are considered to be in.

If you want to GoI out of a vehicle, measure your 24" from any point on the hull you want. The vehicle does not Gate with the Librarian, as it is not part of his unit. If you mishap, you follow the mishap table the same as you would if you Gated from outside a vehicle.

There you go, bringing your filthy facts and clarity into a perfectly good debate.

It seems the general consensus by all replies about the use of "The gate of infinity" while being transported is valid. I still would guess that there is no clear rule to say it is so. With that said it probably should be up to the players or a GM or tournament head to decide. Hopefully before play! Something like this should really be written as errata to make it official.
BTW I do go along with the belief that you may use this Pschic power while being transported. In my last game I was not allowed to do it...Oh well
Thank you for all the replies and beliefs

jb1 wrote:It seems the general consensus by all replies about the use of "The gate of infinity" while being transported is valid. I still would guess that there is no clear rule to say it is so.

There is a clear rule to say it is so.

Current rulebook FAQ on GW.com

Q. Can a model use a psychic power that is not a
Psychic Shooting Attack if it is embarked in a
transport vehicle?
A. Yes. If the power requires line of sight, this is
still worked out from the vehicle’s fire points
(this will count as one model shooting through
that fire point if the power is used in the
Shooting phase).
If the psychic power does not require line of sight
and has a range or an area of effect that is
normally measured from the model using it, these
are measured from the vehicle’s hull, as
explained in the Embarking section on page 66.

Not sure why it took all these posts, your original question is completely covered by the rulebook FAQ

Kaaihn ,
Thanks for the info. I wish I would have found that last Monday...

jb1 wrote:Kaaihn ,
Thanks for the info. I wish I would have found that last Monday...

No problem. Always a good idea to read the FAQ's when you have a question, you never know when they actually answered something useful in there!