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2009/09/21 06:32:46
Subject: Ork Rule abuse
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Screamin' Stormboy
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Zapp gun, dose it hit automatically? like it says in the main book.
Deff rolla, can it cause D6 str 10 hits against another vehicle when it rams?
Support page 69 of Core rule book refers to raming as a special form of tank shock.
plus it wouldn't make sense that it would run over a Carnifex but not a dreadnought.
Kustom Force field on a Big mek, mounted in a vehicle, dose it cover the vehicle he is mounted in, if so dose it cover everyone within 6 of the vehicles hull?
Support-page 66 of core rule book, under the paragraph labled embarking is stats "if players need to mesure range involving the embarked unit (ecept for shooting) this range is mesured from the hull.
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2009/09/21 06:44:23
Subject: Ork Rule abuse
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Agile Revenant Titan
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Use the rules in the Ork codex regarding Zapp Guns
Deff Rollas-do a search. There are many threads detailing this. It is a hotly debated issue.
KFF-yes and yes
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2009/09/21 08:54:46
Subject: Ork Rule abuse
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Hanging Out with Russ until Wolftime
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Sarigar wrote:Use the rules in the Ork codex regarding Zapp Guns
Deff Rollas-do a search. There are many threads detailing this. It is a hotly debated issue.
KFF-yes and yes
What he said. Also, how is this rule "abuse"?
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2009/09/21 10:18:43
Subject: Ork Rule abuse
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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because all orks are cheaters ><
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2009/09/21 10:54:45
Subject: Ork Rule abuse
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Ragin' Ork Dreadnought
Monarchy of TBD
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Orks abuse everything that isn't bigger and nastier than them. Of course they abuse their rules!
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Klawz-Ramming is a subset of citrus fruit?
Gwar- "And everyone wants a bigger Spleen!"
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2009/09/21 12:56:58
Subject: Ork Rule abuse
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Stealthy Space Wolves Scout
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Gitzbitah wrote:Orks abuse everything that isn't bigger and nastier than them. Of course they abuse their rules!
Incorrect. Both the rulebook and the ork codex is bigger than any ork (non vehicle) model. Orks have great respect for the rules.
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In one game turn an Imperial guardsman can move 6", kill a few guys with his flamer, assault 6", kill two more guys with his bayonet, flee 12", regroup when assaulted, react 6", kill one more guy with his bayonet and then flee another 12".
So in one game turn an Imperial guardsman can move 42" and kill more than 5 people. At the same time a Chimera at top speed on a road can move 18"... |
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2009/09/21 12:58:23
Subject: Ork Rule abuse
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Hanging Out with Russ until Wolftime
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Webbe wrote:Gitzbitah wrote:Orks abuse everything that isn't bigger and nastier than them. Of course they abuse their rules!
Incorrect. Both the rulebook and the ork codex is bigger than any ork (non vehicle) model. Orks have great respect for the rules.
Only da Stompiest Ork machines get to ignore Da Roolz!
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2009/09/21 16:13:31
Subject: Ork Rule abuse
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Lethal Lhamean
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So you're saying that Deff Rolla thing might work then, huh?
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2009/09/21 16:17:12
Subject: Ork Rule abuse
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Shas'la with Pulse Carbine
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Our gaming group doesn't play it that way but I personally believe that RAW and RAI is that a Deff Rolla works against vehicles.
These hits are worked out in addition to the RAM rule.
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2009/09/21 16:18:42
Subject: Ork Rule abuse
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Huge Bone Giant
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Most of the problem is people saying this:
Kapton Morgunz wrote:Support page 69 of Core rule book refers to raming as a special form of tank shock.
Page 69 actually states "Ramming is a special type of tank shock move" and then puts further restriction on the movement.
That extra word can go a long way.
Also: See the INAT FAQ, if you are into such things.
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2009/09/21 16:33:25
Subject: Ork Rule abuse
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Shas'la with Pulse Carbine
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I tend to follow the INAT on instances like these. I've flip flopped on this one a few times, however. The most recent information that leads me to feel that our group should play that it works against vehicles is that Ram is a subset of Tank Shock. For the sake of simplicity... "It doesn't work against vehicles"  No sense in rehashing very old discussions.
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2009/09/21 16:38:44
Subject: Ork Rule abuse
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Huge Bone Giant
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paidinfull wrote:The most recent information that leads me to feel that our group should play that it works against vehicles is that Ram is a subset of Tank Shock.
I have heard that often enough, but I do not believe it to be true.
If it were a subset then all Tank Shock rules would apply to Ramming.
As a single example: Tank Shock requires the moving vehicle to stop when within an inch of an enemy vehicle.
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2009/09/21 18:10:40
Subject: Ork Rule abuse
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Shas'la with Pulse Carbine
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I'd prefer not to rehash this discussion.
As I said, I'm like Mitt Romney changing my stance on this issue.
I agree with everything you have said, and as the consensus and an FAQ I follow supports Deff Rolla can not be used vs Vehicles then so be it.
MAKE IT SO!
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2009/09/21 18:16:41
Subject: Ork Rule abuse
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Lethal Lhamean
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Yes, and for the record my "question" was a joke on Gwar!'s comment about only things bigger then the rulebook (like big vehicles) get to ignore it. And since Battlewagons are big vehicles and all then ignoring the rules and...
See? T'was humor I tell you. I'm sure you'll all be laughing later, you'll see.
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Thor665's Dark Eldar Tactica - A comprehensive guide to all things DE (Totally finished...till I update bits and pieces!)
Thor665's battle reports DE vs. assorted armies.
Splintermind: The Dark Eldar Podcast It's a podcast, about Dark Eldar.
Dashofpepper wrote:Thor665 is actually a Dark Eldar god, manifested into electronic bytes and presented here on dakkadakka to bring pain and destruction to all lesser races. Read his tactica, read his forums posts, and when he deigns to critique or advise you directly, bookmark it and pay attention.
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2009/09/21 20:15:40
Subject: Re:Ork Rule abuse
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I personally would like GW to just get off the chair and say THIS is what you CAN and CANNOT do with the deffrolla. I dont want to use it against a vehicle to find out later they say you cant. That will just cause so many "oh see I could have won IF" arguments.
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2009/09/21 20:57:54
Subject: Ork Rule abuse
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Lethal Lhamean
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Psssh, and ruin their track record of FAQs not equaling Errata? Surely you jest, that might suggest they are a meager game company as opposed to the glorious model company that they are.
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Thor665's Dark Eldar Tactica - A comprehensive guide to all things DE (Totally finished...till I update bits and pieces!)
Thor665's battle reports DE vs. assorted armies.
Splintermind: The Dark Eldar Podcast It's a podcast, about Dark Eldar.
Dashofpepper wrote:Thor665 is actually a Dark Eldar god, manifested into electronic bytes and presented here on dakkadakka to bring pain and destruction to all lesser races. Read his tactica, read his forums posts, and when he deigns to critique or advise you directly, bookmark it and pay attention.
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2009/09/22 01:12:45
Subject: Ork Rule abuse
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Krielstone Bearer
Stoke On Trent/Cambridge/Northampton/England
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I have a quick question that is a little off topic, but at the same time has something to do with Orks...
Is it possible to have the following unit composition in one dedicated battlewagon?
Mega armoured warboss, meganobz, big mek.
I couldn't find any rule saying that I can have only one IC attached to a squad.
Little help?
Automatically Appended Next Post:
It's basically going to mean the difference of taking 8 or 9 Meganobz in the unit.
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dogma wrote:Is there any Chaos God who goes un-worshiped in Brazil?
Probably Nurgle, Africa has the lock on that.
metallifan wrote:
The Dark Eldar are, by fluff, sex-addicted, space-cocaine snorting, cross-dressing, slave-taking, soul stealing space pirates. They should fit the bill. No one is forcing you to buy minis with man-thongs.
Sharpasaspoon wrote:Rome, Greece and GW.... The Greeks invented Sex, the Romans thought about having it with women, then GW decided to screw us.
I use Zap Brannigan's art of war and try to jam enough wreckage in their main cannon so it won't work. |
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2009/09/22 01:28:03
Subject: Ork Rule abuse
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Hanging Out with Russ until Wolftime
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You can attach as many IC's as you want to a Squad, and those IC's may ride in the same Transport. What you cannot do is Take a two Squads of 5 MANz and put them both in 1 transport.
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Got 40k Rules Question? Send an e-mail to Gwar! for your Confidential Rules Queries.
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2009/09/22 01:37:55
Subject: Ork Rule abuse
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Hunter with Harpoon Laucher
Castle Clarkenstein
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radiohazard wrote:I have a quick question that is a little off topic, but at the same time has something to do with Orks...
Is it possible to have the following unit composition in one dedicated battlewagon?
Mega armoured warboss, meganobz, big mek.
I couldn't find any rule saying that I can have only one IC attached to a squad.
Little help?
Automatically Appended Next Post:
It's basically going to mean the difference of taking 8 or 9 Meganobz in the unit.
You're fine. No rule against two IC joining a unit.
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....and lo!.....The Age of Sigmar came to an end when Saint Veetock and his hamster legions smote the false Sigmar and destroyed the bubbleverse and lead the true believers back to the Old World.
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2009/09/22 01:52:47
Subject: Ork Rule abuse
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Krielstone Bearer
Stoke On Trent/Cambridge/Northampton/England
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Outstanding thank you.
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dogma wrote:Is there any Chaos God who goes un-worshiped in Brazil?
Probably Nurgle, Africa has the lock on that.
metallifan wrote:
The Dark Eldar are, by fluff, sex-addicted, space-cocaine snorting, cross-dressing, slave-taking, soul stealing space pirates. They should fit the bill. No one is forcing you to buy minis with man-thongs.
Sharpasaspoon wrote:Rome, Greece and GW.... The Greeks invented Sex, the Romans thought about having it with women, then GW decided to screw us.
I use Zap Brannigan's art of war and try to jam enough wreckage in their main cannon so it won't work. |
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2009/09/22 01:55:26
Subject: Ork Rule abuse
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Confessor Of Sins
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in fact... 2 ICs can join together to be their own Unit now : )
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2009/09/22 04:20:16
Subject: Ork Rule abuse
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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frgsinwntr wrote:in fact... 2 ICs can join together to be their own Unit now : )
Then they will hold hands and be HAPPY!
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2009/09/22 13:15:42
Subject: Ork Rule abuse
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Kelne
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I run my command squad with a Libbie, Cap and Tech along with the usual team of vets and Apo. Sad thing is when they die I lose 4 points and 500 points;p
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